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Strangely the mention of a naked man and naked woman disturbs you. Yet Adam and Eve were naked in the garden of Eden.
However, it is the first time on ATS that someone has referred to occultists as "mentally ill" people.
Are you a Jewish Rabbi ? If you are , I will understand and accept your indignation. However, it is the first time on ATS that someone has referred to occultists as "mentally ill" people. This , I really have difficulty understanding.
originally posted by: Astrocyte
Doesn't disturb me. I thought the images were quaint - sorta funny.
What do they even mean?
Did I say that? Hmm, sorry if I did. I don't usually just go right out and say such things.
Why do I have to be a Jewish Rabbi? I'm just a truth seeker - a goyim scientist at heart - eager and willing to know "the truth", where ever I may find it.
My only requirement: that you make sense when you speak.
If something doesn't seem "coherent" i.e. make sense to me, I, like anyone else, will deny its reality.
These are the "magical images" of those sephiroth (Yesod and Netzah). All occultists that use the Tree of Life agree on that. The other 8 sephiroth have different magical images and nothing to do with naked people. I thought is was very relevant to mention.
I only suspected that you could be a rabbi because you seem to treat my post as very alien to what you were writing about. In fact , I was making an interesting point and congratulating you on a very down to earth explanation of the fall from paradise.
Your attention to hebrew suggested to me that you were deeply into the "magical" qabalah . However, when you reacted in the way you did (by saying my comments made no sense at all) , I immediately thought you were defending the traditional jewish qabalah and were not someone who dabbles in magic after all.
If you are not one of those , what are you then ? A scientist at heart and eager and willing to know the truth - I somehow doubt it.
originally posted by: Astrocyte
No, the magical of course interests. Who wouldn't be interested in that? But, for what, and to what purpose, is the magic being exercised? That is the question of questions.
My book shelf is full of names and texts from various mystical traditions - with a heavy interest, as you seem to notice, in the orthodox kabbalah - mainly because some of its leading thinkers, Yitzhack Ginsburgh (ultra-orthodox), for instance, has some interesting stuff (related to the earths geography, the solar system etc), and Ariel Bar Tzadok, more liberal (could almost seem sabbatean to the untrained eye) have some interesting views.
But again, at the end of the day - do you want to meddle with your karma i.e. cause and effect? It seems this world "enchains" us whether we like it or not. It builds the processes of our cells and restrains us towards certain ways of acting.
lol, why such a binary choice? You've never heard of someone with multiple interests?
are the Jews your mortal enemies or something?
Whatever the Hebrew bible (Torah, in particular) is, I do not live by it, I'm not Jewish, and yes I do have many "evil" books too on my shelf, crowley himself.
I am just an all-around knowledgeable person who is skeptical, because his scientific sensibility (commitment to empirical observation) allows him to locate truth.
If I find some interesting truth in the Hebrew Bible - because of a history of having studied it on my own - why does that interest you so much? I'm indifferent to the religious position - I'm more of a buddhist in my analytical and methodological position. I respect all religions so long as compassionate understanding is a part of the deal, because ultimately it is our biodynamical coherency which organizes us. So I look only to that which affirms that coherence.
This is simply not true
This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, YHWH, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai. Most of those who are engaged in scientific work in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology and the history of the Jewish people—and who once went into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible story—now agree that the historic events relating to the stages of the Jewish people's emergence are radically different from what that story tells.