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Missouri lawmakers loosen gun laws, override veto of 'constitutional carry' law

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posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 09:48 PM
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Missouri lawmakers loosen gun laws, override veto of 'constitutional carry' law


JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) - Missouri lawmakers have overridden a veto of a wide-ranging guns bill that will let more people carry concealed weapons and give them greater legal rights to defend themselves.

The Republican-led Legislature enacted the law Wednesday by a 24-6 Senate vote and a 112-41 vote in the House. Both exceeded the two-thirds majority needed to override the veto of Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon.

The legislation will allow most people to carry concealed guns without needing a permit. That means they won't have to go through the training currently required for permit holders. Missouri will join 10 other states with what supporters describe as a "constitutional carry" right.

The measure also expands legal protections for those who use deadly force to defend themselves in both public and private places.


This is the most veto overrides I have seen out of the Missouri legislature in a long time. So now Missouri residents will no longer need a permit to carry concealed. I am curious to see how this will work out. Several Police Chiefs opposed the bill citing safety and training issues.

Those concerns didn't seem to sway the Republicans. The overrides exceeded the minimum amounts needed in both houses.

Law goes into effect January 1st, 2017
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posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

S&F!

This is good news and will be interesting to watch. I was not aware that 10 other states already had these law for handguns, I will have to go look them up.

ETA: Here are those states:

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Xcathdra

S&F!

This is good news and will be interesting to watch. I was not aware that 10 other states already had these law for handguns, I will have to go look them up.



I didnt realize it either. I chalk it up to the media ignoring it because its A - gun related and B - deaks with the constitution and rights of the people.


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posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
Missouri lawmakers loosen gun laws, override veto of 'constitutional carry' law


JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) - Missouri lawmakers have overridden a veto of a wide-ranging guns bill that will let more people carry concealed weapons and give them greater legal rights to defend themselves.

The Republican-led Legislature enacted the law Wednesday by a 24-6 Senate vote and a 112-41 vote in the House. Both exceeded the two-thirds majority needed to override the veto of Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon.

The legislation will allow most people to carry concealed guns without needing a permit. That means they won't have to go through the training currently required for permit holders. Missouri will join 10 other states with what supporters describe as a "constitutional carry" right.

The measure also expands legal protections for those who use deadly force to defend themselves in both public and private places.


This is the most veto overrides I have seen out of the Missouri legislature in a long time. So now Missouri residents will no longer need a permit to carry concealed. I am curious to see how this will work out. Several Police Chiefs opposed the bill citing safety and training issues.

Those concerns didn't seem to sway the Republicans. The overrides exceeded the minimum amounts needed in both houses.


Great Grab, F&S!
It's indeed a bittersweet victory for the people, with training
being paramount to safety. I personally wouldn't want to be
put in a position of rapid presentation: without that 16 hours
worth of required training in my state. Although I'm happy for
them ShowMe's I still lean a little toward the Chiefs.



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 09:56 PM
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I have yet to see Kansas devolve into the wild west. The gun crimes mostly stay in the high gun crime areas like they were before.

We'll see what happens in Missouri since a recent study also concluded that about half of Missouri children grow up with a firearm in their home as it is.



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 09:56 PM
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a reply to: derfreebie

My only question / concern is how many states that had reciprocal agreements with Mo and conceal carry are now invalidated since a permit is no longer required. Thank God for law enforcement credentials.

I still think the training should be required so we are on the same page there.
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posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Gun safety starts at home, as it should.

Guns do not kill people, people kill people.



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 09:59 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Oh, I agree fully that training is the smart thing to do if you're going to have a gun in your home.

If we ever decide to go that route, we would be getting training.



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:04 PM
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The only problem here of course is that we Should Not Need Any More Gun Protection Laws!!! It is covered in the Bill of Rights. I wish our Congressmen would read that document at some time before trying to dictate new legislations.

s&f



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:14 PM
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a reply to: JDeLattre89

Others share your sentiment - Spr ingfield Newsleader


The House vote followed about an hour of discussion and previous question motion of its own. The bill was brought up in the House by Rep. Eric Burlison, a Springfield Republican.

The Second Amendment "is the first among equals, because it alone offers the absolute capacity to live and express your rights absent of fear," Burlison said. "... It does not allow criminals or the mentally ill to carry."



and just to clarify... This law has no effect on existing laws dealing with the purchase / ownership of firearms. Those laws remain in effect and restrict certain criminal convictions or adjudication of mental status from lawfully obtaining a firearm.



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Awesome, always a great day when the second amendment is prevented from being infringed upon.

a reply to: JinMI

It is interesting that Puerto Rico is part of that list and they are not even a state (officially).



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:26 PM
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I feel 2 way about this. I am glad to see our Constitution being upheld. The 2nd is all the law we need to carry a gun.
But...Just any ol' Joe or Jane being abled to carry may not be such a great idea, on training factor alone. I remember in my CCL class, there were several who had never fired a weapon and knew next to nothing about them. That those folks could just stick a gun in their belt or purse and carry it around would make me very leery.
We were told to bring 2 boxes of ammo for the shooting phase, but one lady brought a loaded gun in. I happened to notice as she was showing another lady, [ who had no experience either ] and politely took it out of her hand and unloaded it. Whew!!
It only made my ass tighter that she had had her finger on the trigger and covered the whole room at one time or another with the muzzle, while showing the other lady. It was a snub nose revolver and I didn't know it was loaded, till she opened the cylinder. At that point there were several loud "clunks".....that was me shi**ing bricks.



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:36 PM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Xcathdra

Awesome, always a great day when the second amendment is prevented from being infringed upon.

a reply to: JinMI

It is interesting that Puerto Rico is part of that list and they are not even a state (officially).


Puerto Rico is a commonwealth and the US Constitution applies to them. They are locked into the Federal system as a commonwealth (non-state). Actually the US Constitution and Scotus rulings apply to all US States, Commonwealths and territories.
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posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:36 PM
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Good deal. Maybe some of the oppression is being rolled back.

Some people need to ask: What the Hell is the 2d Amendment anyway?

It IS the right to be armed ... period. Any law concerning the right to 'keep and bear' is an infringement. Let me be the President for five minutes, and I'll revoke the citizenship of anyone who opposes that understanding.



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:39 PM
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a reply to: Snarl

Citizenship of natural born citizens cant be revoked by anyone but the person themselves. Attempting to do what you suggest would be a reason for the existence of the 2nd amendment and illegal actions taken by the government.

A for effort but F for implementation
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ETA - apparently the permit system will also remain in place. I would assume its a way for people to be able to carry concealed in states that have reciprocals with Missouri. I would also imagine that without that permit you can only carry lawfully in Mo.
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posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:43 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
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Citizenship of natural born citizens cant be revoked by anyone but the person themselves.




INA § 349 states that a citizen, whether a U.S. citizen by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing certain acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality. The fact of intention is critical; it is not the mere performance of the actions mentioned in § 349. Seven types of conduct are currently listed in the INA as expatriative. The potentially expatriating acts are: (1) applying for and obtaining naturalization in a foreign country, provided the person is at least 18 years old; (2) making an oath of allegiance to a foreign country, provided the person is at least 18 years old; (3) serving in the military of a foreign country as a commissioned or noncommissioned officer or when the foreign state is engaged in hostilities against the United States; (4) serving in a foreign government position that requires an oath of allegiance to or the nationality of that foreign country, provided the person is at least 18 years old; (5) making a formal renunciation of U.S. citizenship to a consular officer outside of the United States; (6) making a formal renunciation of citizenship while in the United States and during time that the United States is involved in a war; and (7) conviction for treason or attempting by force to overthrow the U.S. government, including conspiracy convictions.



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:47 PM
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Gov. Nixon is pure poison!



The Missouri legislature passed Senate Bill 265 in an effort to block Agenda 21; however, the governor vetoed the bill on July 1, 2013. The governor’s news release, entitled, “Gov. Nixon vetoes harmful bills aimed at nonexistent problems such as ‘Agenda 21′"

I'm really enjoying how often these scumbags are being exposed now that they're getting desperate. The guy is just another liberal puppet used to help consolidate the worlds rural population into large megalopolises, capable of being managed as a whole under the guise of democratic socialism. You know, the "bigger picture" that certain supporters of certain ideologies fail to realize until they've fully matured and it's too late.


In the album's three parts, "Dogs", "Pigs" and "Sheep", pigs represent the people whom Roger Waters considers to be at the top of the social ladder, the ones with wealth and power; they also manipulate the rest of society and encourage them to be viciously competitive and cutthroat, so the pigs can remain powerful.

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posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Good deal👍



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 10:49 PM
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I would assume its a way for people to be able to carry concealed in states that have reciprocals with Missouri.


Except for Illinois of course. They have such an anal need for as much gun control as they can get away with, no other states's permit applies here. I can carry in many other states that honor a CCL from Illinois, but Illinois doesn't recognize any other state's permits.
Reciprocity should be a 2 way street.



posted on Sep, 14 2016 @ 11:09 PM
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Good for Missouri! Every state should be passing such laws.

These days, more than ever before, people need to be armed.



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