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Did Paul Invent Christianity?

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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: Matrixsurvivor


You have not shown anything but a opinion that used bible verse out of context.

God inspired the Bible and has reserved it you do not believe that God can do it.

Making yourself the authority on what is true or not true.

If you had shown Bible verses in context and not your private interpretation I might have agreed with you. But because of that lack of contextual integrity.

I didn't make any interpretation to the Holy Ghost being a he. It was plain what the preserved word of God says, these are God's words but you do not believe the Bible. So why even have, debate it, or use it it is just a waste of your time to discuss something you do not believe is true, without error, inspired and preserved.




posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 03:15 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: SethTsaddik

Typical PC anti-christian using labels to instill fear.


How so, Chester? Could you be more specific please?



Allah to day is not the same as it was 2,000 years ago, that would be 1,400 years before Islam was even thought of. 2,000 years ago Allah was a tribal Arabian god of the moon who had two daughters. That is right an idol, one of thousands that Mohamed removed from the the temple in Mecca. It was this Idol's top position that was kept, because all who had their idol gods on Mecca knew that in the hierarchy of those tribal Arabian god's Allah was the most high one. So Allah's name was kept and stripped from the idol and slipped into the sayings of Mohamed to be the same god as the Jews.


Now that is typical uneducated nonsense.

And an outright lie. Moon god? Please, not even original. If you respected your own intelligence you wouldn't even try using that tired nonsense.

If Allah is a moon god so is the God of Jesus and Moses because they are the same God and there is no moon god just God/Allah.

I find it hilarious that you think you can bust out some ancient propaganda and not know the history of it or how much of a lie it is, you are just jealous of Islam's Monotheism and in desperation because I showed how you are a full blown polytheist and ancestor worshipper and Pagan.



Sorry no matter what Allah will always be an Arbian tribal god and the True Almighty God knows this and will not be called by this devils name. And all who do and think that the Almighty God and Allah are the same will learn differnently son enough.

If every Islamic Martyr could speak from the grace today they will tell you Jesus Christ is the Almighty God and to repent ad turn to him for salvation. But once you cross that deadline you cannot tell anyone anything.

Read the Bible the whole Bible he preserved word of God for us today found in the AV listen to the words of Jesus and His instructions to Paul and be saved by God's grace through your faith and live for him as a true believer in the one true Almighty God.


Your words are weak and make you a liar by will or by laziness in fact checking, either way you are responsible and it is a lie.

Which means you are lying, whether you know it or not because it is that ridiculous.

There is no moon god in Islam, just God, Allah, the God of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed, read the Qur'an.

The Qur'an, the Bible the Zohar, I read them all.

I see a man who is typical, uneducated, naive and unable to civily debate or use logic in the smallest matter and all you do is repeat your opinion again and again and accuse everyone else of doing it but their wrong and your right despite all known facts and you need to take your own advice and:

Read the Bible.

And the Qur'an.

That is if you are going to talk about moon gods. I guess Jesus is a sun God and cross god because his holidays are both pagan sun holidays and it and the cross are Christian symbols. Symbols aren't worshipped in Islam we don't even have images of God or Mohammed.

Christianity is closer to a sun cult than Islam is about a moon god, that isn't a thing, not a fact at all and you look like a fool saying it. Are.

Allah may some day grant you Wisdom. But for now you have none. It's up to Allah though so I can't help you with that.


I am not calling Christians sun worshippers or pagans but I will say technically not monotheistic having three God's.

That's polytheism but not nature worship which is what paganism is.

Technically. Maybe not ''theologically" but I still count three in the Trinity so that is polytheism.

Like Nimrod/Semiramis/Tammuz

Brahma/Shiva/Kali

Osiris/Isis/Horus

Father/Son/Spirit.

No difference at all.
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posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 03:47 AM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

You see Chester, there were no moon gods in the ancient world always goddesses like Isis or Semiramis and her Greek, Roman or Arabic equivalents and has no connection to Allah.

Mary in the Catholic Church is the closest thing in modern times to Isis or Semiramis, the original mother and child with Tammuz, Egyptian Horus.

Jesus shares the same mythology down to the dates with Tammuz miracle birth and death and resurrection as the son of Nimrod.

"Weeping for Tammuz" was his celebration in the Old Testament and that is the origin of Christmas.

So you are way closer to moon goddesses and paganism with being a Christian than I ever will be because I don't even believe in the crucifixion of Jesus so he has no connection to paganism except the virgin birth and that was done by Allah through Gabriel and that is far from a reason to connect Islam with paganism.

Mohammed spread the message of God far and wide and the Qur'an is the Holy Book of 1.5 billion Muslims today spreading the message of monotheism and doing the will of God and to live a righteous life.

It could teach you a thing or two about acting like a man and not a foolish man but a wise one, something you are in desperate need of.

Paul has just ruined you. You are such a hater.



posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 06:32 AM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

The only reason I suspect why you hate Islam enough to repeat the absolute most ignorant and played out accusation of moon god worship is because Islam accepts ALL the Prophets of Judaism and Christianity but credit Paul with being a deciever and false prophet that never met Jesus.

Paul was a liar, so yeah, Islam rejects him.

But that has nothing to do with worship. We worship God.

The God of Moses and Jesus all the Prophets up to Mohammed.

And Paul ain't one of them.

Doesn't change God. If not for Paul Christianity would need less to no fixing so it's actually Paul who you can thank.

While I thank Mohammed for creating a Paul free pro Jesus pure form of Monotheism.

Which means I thank God Most High/Allah T'Allah.

Paul free... is the Way.... to be.



posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: Padawan SethTsaddik

Padawan

Gods you can spew out some crap youngling!!!

Like the ancient Romans say Padawan:

'Words from mouth like sh!t from arse!'

How about fact checking your verbal crap youngling!

Shame ive been busy with life to make that Allah is evil thread Padawan. Gonna make some time, on hols after Thursday youngling.

On another note, you sure your not Padawan Matrixsurvivor? Your never ever online when she/you are!

Whos the false one? The one that goes by many names Padawan?

Master Coomba
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posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: SethTsaddik

I don't see you bring up the Arabic Tribal God's. I see you using Greek, Egyptian, Indian and maybe some old Sumerian gods but you are not revealing anything about any of the 2000 year old Arabic tribal gods. Most of them destroyed by Mohamed when he took all the idols out of the Temple in Mecca. But that temple still stands. I can't wait to see ISIS destroy that temple. They say the Arabs are idol worshipers and not true worshipers of their Allah.

Only one way to heaven and it ain't through Islam.

And the God of the OT is not the generic term for god in Arabic, transliterated into English as ALLAH. Jesus is the fullness of the godhead bodily which means he is the OT God JHVH. And not Yahweh who is the Greek god of wisdom revered by the Greek intellectuals then and today.

Islam is not way to heaven but a very broad way to hell.

Oh and don't forget to drink some of your own urine mixed with Camels milk when you go to Mecca. That is advice from Mohamed himself if you happen to get a stomach bug while you are on your pilgrimage.

MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!!!
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posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: coomba98

No this guy is definitely Gnosisisfaith. Exact same info, exact same Posting MO and a supposed Muslim.



posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Yeah i know. I recon his nearing the 100 account mark by now. Whens he gonna learn his not wanted here.

Guess that takes intelligence! Stupid Padawan.

Pretty sure Padawan Matrixsurvivor is another of his accounts.

Coomba98



posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: coomba98

No there is something different about Matrix that leads me to think she didn't really come to her conclusions as she claims she has.

There is More to her story than she is letting on.

If I am right her real name is Deborah I wont give the last just in case it is her.



posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Seriously? I'm me. Not anyone else you keep trying to say. Good grief.



posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: coomba98

No there is something different about Matrix that leads me to think she didn't really come to her conclusions as she claims she has.

There is More to her story than she is letting on.

If I am right her real name is Deborah I wont give the last just in case it is her.


(Where's an eye roll emoji when you need one?)



posted on Dec, 20 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: Padawan Matrixsurvivor


originally posted by: Padawan Matrixsurvivor

(Where's an eye roll emoji when you need one?)


Padawan Matrixsurvivor,

Its down the toilet youngling, may have to go for a swim Padawan.

Good luck with that, no really, good luck with that Padawan.

Master Coomba



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 03:06 AM
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Lol some of post on here are asinine.

Christianity is not product of Egypt beliefs. They have some similarities, but not all. Jesus, in fact, had an uncle who was in tin trade or something like this, traveled with him a lot. To Egypt and as far as England, where in fact, he preached his beliefs and incorporated many of its teachings. These are found in scriptures from 40 days after Christ discovered in tomb in Egypt, and others found in Afghanistan back in 1940s I believe. Ironically these teachings would further prove Templar theory that Jesus and Mary had wed, gave birth, had traveled Europe, India, and Africa. This is known as "holy grail" or holy bloodline.

As far as Paul[formerly Saul] yes, he too, was in fact a Jew who turned to Christ who also was a Jew. I believe Mark was the journslist to testify that. Most was Jews because it was primary religion that held financial grasp of Rome. It was illegal because Jesus broke the Sabbath. He couldn't stand the jews, honestly. He revolted against them and their structure of Rome who cause of Nero, were behind death of Julias Ceaser.

Ceaser was hated because he too, he didn't want to kill Jesus, Jews did. Afterwards Jesus died and all Christians went into hiding until Jesus rounded them up and broke bread again. Upon his restriction he also looked different, according to lost gospels. It also hints to idea that Jews would try to destroy word of God. Ironically, when Jesus died, so did Ceaser shortly after. This left Jews go wide open, Brotherhood of the Snake and rise of Nero. Bible came out officially somewhere around 50-100 years after resurrection of Christ which leaves a lot of room to tamper his word. Ironically, some think much of his end time prophecy was a directly at vision of Nero and Jewish influence of Rome. He saw fall of Rome and God casted jews from Isreal and damned them to never return.

Also, Jesus wasn't cut up in 100 pieces and scattered around world.

Peter Joseph or whatever Zeitgeist name is doesn't know much about any real religion. Here's some excerpts from Talmund (Judaism)

Sanhedrin 59a
To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

Libbre David 37
A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.


Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b
When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.


Choshen Ha'mishpat 425:50

Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.


Yalkut 245c
Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice.

This doesn't sound like Christianity. Since probably don't know much about religion a Goyim is anything not Jewish.

If want learn more about Jews and their lack of trust in God, Google Image Kosher Slaughter, Original Holocaust (old definition before 1940s was burning goyim babies in gold caldron), or Jewish Rituals. Also, Jews messiah hasn't come yet, which would probably be Lucifer, Great Deceiver.

Jesus was taken by Lucifer to top of a mountain, he showed him world and all it's empires, he offered it to him and Jesus turned him down.

Funny because that could happen today. Jew like Kissinger, Soros, or Rothschild take JFK up and show him world and all they own through central banking, he refuses, so they killed him.

This has happened way over 1500 times. "All my heroes are dead" isn't just a silly meme.

People want try shout conspiracies about end days... but anything and everything need to know is just few simple books.
Bible
Lost Gospels
Talmund
Ancient History

Don't be so literal and study it with an open mind.

I also don't remember Jesus having a 9 year old lover at 54, Muhammad.

Jesus did get most of his teachings from Monks in East, a Russian traveler brought back teachings of Esas, which is Jesus in its translation. Which is funny considering Peter claimed no other "proof" of Jesus existed.

Funny for someone to not exsist, lost gospels, mentioned in possibly 13 different religions, yet they're all the same. There is no proof other fact Hitler sought artifacts that somehow was destroyed, same with Templars. There's shroud, testimony of Indian tribes, Tell of Chulain, Yessus, However the names are put together. Tell of "white man, long hair, and beard from West."

Meanwhile pterodactyl is a hawk, yet ape and man still live in same existence. Ways people try disprove God is down right absurd. Only thing separates monkey and man, is split of gnome which can't happen in evolution, only other time it did was when we cloned Dolly the Sheep. That in itself is "intervention", if we were devine it would be "devine intervention". As Lord says he makes you of himself and of beast of the Earth. By his image, not monkeys.

It's dumb to say evolution doesn't exsist, because it does, but evolution doesn't disprove God at all, to say so is dumb. Nor does evolution work exactly same way as they tell it for there would be no search for "the missing link".

Devils Advocate is funny, considering Devil preys on the stupid.
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posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 03:44 AM
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a reply to: Anonopolis


Funny how signature Devils Advocate, because yes, he preys on the stupid.





posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 04:32 AM
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a reply to: Akragon

And I do mean it, but with good fun. I hope some of this might shed a bit of light for you. If not, I tried. I by all means not trying to stone you. But never take a jews word about Christ, or anything for that matter, secretly they hate you.

It makes sense, because our "God" casted them out of their home for being wicked, they had live in Christian society for thousands of years. Not being Anti Semetic, it's just truth. If I practiced and was Jew I would probably get even or convert.

Funny how Hitler fluoridated Jews, now they do it to us.

Funny how teach against homosexuality, yet they voted it in.

Funny how bring in open borders, yet Israel's is closed.

Funny how Hitler wanted move them Madagascar, yet their financial international clique chose Isreal, land deemed Sin by Jews and Gentiles.

Funny how they own banking system that forces you to pay direct tax to them, which is slavery.

Funny how brought in slaves, but Christians are blamed.

Funny how if anyone was take over world, it would be Jews.

Look who funds left, a jew. The right? Yep, Jew.

Majority of news outlets? Hollywood? Music?

Funny how almost every problem in world, is workings of a Jew.

It was very well played. People who claim no "illuminati" or "bilderberg" or aliens or all this #...

They are simply people very delicated to vast most complex religion in world who are getting revenge over 3500 year prosecution lead by Christians. Rewrite history, start wars... It's hilarious.

Don't twist my words, not calling for death of 6 million jews, if that even happened, just applauding plan that can't be stopped.



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 06:03 AM
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a reply to: Anonopolis

Anonopolis

Holy crap!!!

Your one racist yet not racist yet ARE a racist SOB!!

Like saying America is a warmongering country... when its just their leaders!

Do you have a sheltered life? Cause you sure sound like it.

Antisemitic yet not yet you are!!

All i gotta say is Phwaor!!

Coomba98



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: SethTsaddik

Only one way to Heaven, huh?

And it is not through Islam?

Have you been to Heaven, met God?

Face to face?

Did God tell you that?

Or is it just your belief because you hate all religions not Christianity?

It is, rhetorical question, it's so obvious.

That is another one of your typical opinions that you think are facts.

If so, prove it.

Otherwise, you got nothing.

And there is no otherwise, you have nothing.

Except hatred and hate based opinions.

And you don't know the first thing about Christianity or Islam, forgive me if I am dismissive of your ignorant opinions.

As in uneducated. Regarding this thread topic and Islam and, again, Christianity.

Moon god. Lol.
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posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: Anonopolis
Lol some of post on here are asinine.

Christianity is not product of Egypt beliefs. They have some similarities, but not all.


And the similarities are not a coincidence.

The Trinity is a product of Egyptian Christianity.

And thus, Egyptian based.

Asinine would be to deny it.



Jesus, in fact, had an uncle who was in tin trade or something like this, traveled with him a lot. To Egypt and as far as England, where in fact, he preached his beliefs and incorporated many of its teachings. These are found in scriptures from 40 days after Christ discovered in tomb in Egypt, and others found in Afghanistan back in 1940s I believe. Ironically these teachings would further prove Templar theory that Jesus and Mary had wed, gave birth, had traveled Europe, India, and Africa. This is known as "holy grail" or holy bloodline.

As far as Paul[formerly Saul] yes, he too, was in fact a Jew who turned to Christ who also was a Jew. I believe Mark was the journslist to testify that. Most was Jews because it was primary religion that held financial grasp of Rome. It was illegal because Jesus broke the Sabbath. He couldn't stand the jews, honestly. He revolted against them and their structure of Rome who cause of Nero, were behind death of Julias Ceaser.


It's unlikely Paul was really a Jew, highly.

And he was no disciple of Christ or anyone who knew Christ, which he did not.

Fake revelations don't count and he had no teachings that came from Jesus.

He was a rogue, more of a Roman collaborator and notorious traitor.

Who boasted of the superiority of his or "My gospel" over that of Jesus taught to James and the 12 apostles.

And cursed any other.





Ceaser was hated because he too, he didn't want to kill Jesus, Jews did.


Caesar makes no appearance in the Gospels and I think you mean Pilate, who was definitely NOT a Caesar.

And the Romans bare responsibility for the crucifixion, not the Jews who were Roman subjects and needed permission.

The beatings were done by Romans as was the crucifixion, Sadducees, Roman collaborators, and not all Jews hates Jesus.

Jesus had Pharisee friends, they actually did not hate each other as groups, Nicodemus, Gamaliel and Joseph of Arimathea were Pharisees and Sanhedrin members.

Jesus would not have been even known by Caesar, wasn't.

That's asinine.



Afterwards Jesus died and all Christians went into hiding until Jesus rounded them up and broke bread again. Upon his restriction he also looked different, according to lost gospels. It also hints to idea that Jews would try to destroy word of God. Ironically, when Jesus died, so did Ceaser shortly after. This left Jews go wide open, Brotherhood of the Snake and rise of Nero. Bible came out officially somewhere around 50-100 years after resurrection of Christ which leaves a lot of room to tamper his word. Ironically, some think much of his end time prophecy was a directly at vision of Nero and Jewish influence of Rome. He saw fall of Rome and God casted jews from Isreal and damned them to never return.

Also, Jesus wasn't cut up in 100 pieces and scattered around world.

Peter Joseph or whatever Zeitgeist name is doesn't know much about any real religion. Here's some excerpts from Talmund (Judaism)

Sanhedrin 59a
To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

Libbre David 37
A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.


Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b
When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.


Choshen Ha'mishpat 425:50

Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.


Yalkut 245c
Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice.

This doesn't sound like Christianity. Since probably don't know much about religion a Goyim is anything not Jewish.

If want learn more about Jews and their lack of trust in God, Google Image Kosher Slaughter, Original Holocaust (old definition before 1940s was burning goyim babies in gold caldron), or Jewish Rituals. Also, Jews messiah hasn't come yet, which would probably be Lucifer, Great Deceiver.

Jesus was taken by Lucifer to top of a mountain, he showed him world and all it's empires, he offered it to him and Jesus turned him down.

Funny because that could happen today. Jew like Kissinger, Soros, or Rothschild take JFK up and show him world and all they own through central banking, he refuses, so they killed him.

This has happened way over 1500 times. "All my heroes are dead" isn't just a silly meme.

People want try shout conspiracies about end days... but anything and everything need to know is just few simple books.
Bible
Lost Gospels
Talmund
Ancient History

Don't be so literal and study it with an open mind.

I also don't remember Jesus having a 9 year old lover at 54, Muhammad.

Jesus did get most of his teachings from Monks in East, a Russian traveler brought back teachings of Esas, which is Jesus in its translation. Which is funny considering Peter claimed no other "proof" of Jesus existed.

Funny for someone to not exsist, lost gospels, mentioned in possibly 13 different religions, yet they're all the same. There is no proof other fact Hitler sought artifacts that somehow was destroyed, same with Templars. There's shroud, testimony of Indian tribes, Tell of Chulain, Yessus, However the names are put together. Tell of "white man, long hair, and beard from West."

Meanwhile pterodactyl is a hawk, yet ape and man still live in same existence. Ways people try disprove God is down right absurd. Only thing separates monkey and man, is split of gnome which can't happen in evolution, only other time it did was when we cloned Dolly the Sheep. That in itself is "intervention", if we were devine it would be "devine intervention". As Lord says he makes you of himself and of beast of the Earth. By his image, not monkeys.

It's dumb to say evolution doesn't exsist, because it does, but evolution doesn't disprove God at all, to say so is dumb. Nor does evolution work exactly same way as they tell it for there would be no search for "the missing link".

Devils Advocate is funny, considering Devil preys on the stupid.


I don't think you actually know what you are trying to pretend, which is just about everything, the Talmud was written long after Jesus and has nothing to do with this topic.

And is not the place to look to for information about Jesus unless you want to read about him boiling in semen in hell.

Lucifer? There is no Lucifer in Judaism or Christianity. He is a mythological character with no basis in scripture. Please challenge me on this issue so I can show you exactly how little you know.

Which Caesar and what unknown to scholars document do you possess that proves he was even aware of Jesus?

Asinine.
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posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 03:36 PM
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And a happy Nimrod's birthday to you too!

I mean "Christ"mass. Lol.

Was that you who said go drink Camel urine?

I can see you have been indoctrinated into ignorance. You think that is an insult but it is not. Medicine has progressed since the 7th century, many scientific advances were made in Arab and Muslim nations while Europe and Christianity were still in the dark ages.

Muslim prosperity was the main reason for the Crusades.

And nobody drinks Camel piss, unless you do.

Only someone full of hate would use that as an insult, hate as well as ignorance.

Should I respond by telling you or whoever said that (if it wasn't you ignore this, they will read it) to eat a bowl of fesces?

No, and I won't. I will just use the accurate term for someone like that.

Idiotic biggot. May Allah bless you with release from the yoke of proud ignorance.


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posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: SethTsaddik

What ''lost" Gospels do you mean?

The Gospel of Peter? Found.

Nag Hammadi texts are not historical, don't prove the existence of the historical Jesus.

Neither do the Apocrypha or Dead Sea Scrolls.

Gospel of the Hebrews?

Gone, save a few quotes, probably destroyed to hide something along with many books.

There are tons of Apocrypha in Judaism and Christianity but none are proof of a historical Jesus. Anyone can write anything my friend, and pious frauds go hand in hand with Roman Catholicism.

I actually do believe a man named Yeshua bar Yoseph existed, but there is no proof, only belief or non belief.

Paul was a fraud, he never met Jesus.

He doesn't even have a witness to corroborate, even Joseph Smith found people to corroborate his lies.

Paul... didn't. Nobody would do it.

Luke witnessed nothing, or whoever wrote that fiction Acts, and just wrote what he heard from Paul.

If Paul even existed.




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