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Did Paul Invent Christianity?

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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

you still haven't made any move to obey the words of Jesus to give to him that asketh. I have asked you nicely yet you want to argue over your supposed opinions. Prove you are following Jesus by your obedience to his words.

If you will obey then send me a PM so we can meet and take care of the legal issues in transferring to me those things I asked for.

In doing so it will show me and all who are following this thread, you are truly living by the commandments and teachings of Jesus. When you do this you will convince me you are a true follower of the truth. Time to put your your faith to work and prove it by your works, in obeying the words of Jesus and show you truly love him in doing so.

Also in doing so will go a long way in proving you have been teaching the truth about Paul and I as well as those following this thread will take you seriously. Jesus will obviously bless you for following him and prove you a true teacher of his words and the lies of Paul.

remember James when he said show your faith by your works. Obey Jesus teaching and give that which I have asked for.




posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

boy oh boy the teachings go from Matthew chapter five to chapter seven.

We are talking about what you claim to believe "only the teachings of Jesus" and they include

Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
don't stop at verse eleven keep going. Jesus teachings are not just found in Matthew 5. But I guarantee you wont follow Jesus teachings and prove you are a Liar and a hater of Jesus and his teachings.

But you made the claim that you believe and obey the words of Jesus, so prove it.


John 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.


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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

you still haven't made any move to obey the words of Jesus to give to him that asketh. I have asked you nicely yet you want to argue over your supposed opinions. Prove you are following Jesus by your obedience to his words.

If you will obey then send me a PM so we can meet and take care of the legal issues in transferring to me those things I asked for.

In doing so it will show me and all who are following this thread, you are truly living by the commandments and teachings of Jesus. When you do this you will convince me you are a true follower of the truth. Time to put your your faith to work and prove it by your works, in obeying the words of Jesus and show you truly love him in doing so.

Also in doing so will go a long way in proving you have been teaching the truth about Paul and I as well as those following this thread will take you seriously. Jesus will obviously bless you for following him and prove you a true teacher of his words and the lies of Paul.

remember James when he said show your faith by your works. Obey Jesus teaching and give that which I have asked for.


Oky doke. I have 4 boys, I clean houses right now to make ends meet, I give to whoever needs it, even though my husband lost his job a few months ago. I homeschool my kids and work my butt of to pay for them to go to a "One Day Academy" once a week so they can get highschool courses, since I suck at math. I am tired every day, and I hate this world. I hate what we do to animals (because "god" said we could eat them) and I hate that little kids are starving to death every day and said "god" doesn't seem to care.
I have 20 dollars to my name right now, yet I would give it to someone who needed it. Do you want my last 20 bucks Chester? Cause I would send it to you if you truly needed it.
I can make more tomorrow after I clean a 3500 sq. ft house so I can put gas in my car and buy groceries for my boys and husband.
Need anything else? I'd be happy to send it to you.
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

You are in the same place I am in this world. I work hare for a little over $10 per hour to support myself and my family. I have no way of making it. Yet each day I am thankful for God supply from day to day, I am paying off a house God procured for me and supplied the money for it so I could have it. I trust him each day to supply and yet I don't fret it. I no longer loose sleep over it because Jesus is in control. I do my best and he takes care of the rest.

Paul has only expanded on Jesus teachings. He is not making himself anything he is not. Everything topic Jesus taught that is applicable for eh body of Christ Paul expanded on. Yes they are different because they are for different periods of time one of which has not happened yet.

But if you want us to believe you then you must obey and give me what I asked for. If not then at least concede and admit you could be wrong. In doing so I will release you from my request.
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

there are two thing here if you are right and you give then Jesus will give you more.

If you re wrong then you loose everything and are on the street.

This is what happened in Jerusalem with the church and why Paul was collecting money for the poor church in Jerusalem. They sold all and gave it to the leaders who distributed because they believed Jesus was coming back right away. He didn't and some of those teachings are not practical for today.

Would you not agree to that?

But they were happy to do what they did but they were wrong and Paul was sent to help establish the church to go about business, love one another, give and help each other, work hard, take care of those widows in your close family ties who don't have any means and are past the age of getting a man to marry and support them, rule your house well, raise up children unto God in the ways of righteousness, set aside that which you will give to the poor and give it to them, them who stole he said to get jobs so they could give to those in need, he called them to holy living without adultery and fornication. Paul also expanded on the teaching of the Lord's supper. Please go back and realize that Jesus is the number one reason for the Church. Not these rip off religious hucksters who use the church as a means of a money making business. Give it to those who are truly the church.

Can y0ou not see this?

If not you need to take time and go back and read the writings of Paul through the eyes of Jesus.


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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 08:51 PM
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But if you want us to believe you then you must obey and give me what I asked for. If not then at least concede and admit you could be wrong. In doing so I will release you from my request.



Seriously? I must OBEY WHO? YOU? You know...if you need something, if you are in a hole, then even though I think you are a pain in the ass...I'd send it to you. Would you do the same for me? Or do you just want to put me in "my place"? Cause that seems to be what you're trying to do. But you know what? I'd still give to you. Cause if you needed it, (just like many do), I'd send it to you.
PM me your address.
By the way, who is "us"? And who do I need to admit being wrong to? You? That's not gonna happen. But hey, I'll still send you my last few bucks. I'll even send you more tomorrow if you want.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Have you not got it yet?

It is not obeying me but Jesus words. Keep his words.

You claim to follow only the teachings of Jesus. I show you one teaching and then ask you to exercise your faith in Jesus teachings, and obey HIM in giving me what I asked.

Are you truly that blind to the Bible to assume I am asking you to obey me?

Dear please understand you have made a lot of reasons why not to obey. This is not about my need. This is about you keeping the words of Jesus himself as you have claimed.

are you so overcome by fear that you do not understand?

Us is all who read this thread. We are those who have been reading and watching to see who will be right and wrong. Please if you truly follow the teachings of Jesus do as I have asked, no questions, no argument just act out in faith.

I have taken great leaps of faith such as I am asking of you. If yo truly believe in only the teachings of Jesus and not Paul then Obey Jesus. Take a leap of faith, if you are right Jesus will bless if you are wrong you will know and have to admit you are wrong.

Don't let pride get in your way.
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

I didn't ask for your last few bucks. I asked for three specific things. If you believe Jesus words and will keep them then contact me in a PM and we will begin the work of you leap of faith.
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:07 PM
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I'm just gonna jump in here for a moment old Chester.

Aren't you one of those people who think Jesus is god? If you do then please sell everything you own and PayPal the money to me. After all, you wouldn't want to go against gods word, would you?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:10 PM
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How about it Akragon, or any one else who claims only to follow the teachings of Jesus.

Are you willing to do as I have asked Matrixsurvivor?

Are you will to prove your faith by your works?

Are you willing to follow the teachings of Jesus where he said to give to him that asketh?

Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
There is not qualification here as to why or how to give to hism who asketh. It is not about need it is about doing as Jesus teaches.

Are you will to prove you truly love Jesus?

John 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Are you willing to show that you will keep his words and show you love him?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:13 PM
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Paul has only expanded on Jesus teachings. He is not making himself anything he is not. Everything topic Jesus taught that is applicable for eh body of Christ Paul expanded on. Yes they are different because they are for different periods of time one of which has not happened yet.


Nope. Paul made up his own "teachings" and they were not in any way, shape, or form...close to what Jesus taught. Do you know how EVEN MORE that I know this? Because, you have NO rebuttal except to tell me to do what Jesus taught...because you DON'T YOURSELF. Nope, you sit on your "grace" (sans Paul) and think that you have your ticket into Heaven just because you believed PAUL....while Jesus taught to put your money where your mouth is....not to mention your DEEDS. But, because that is too difficult for Pauline Christians, they (and you) just sit around waiting for "God's handouts" and expect to be taken up to glory because all they did was BELIEVE. Right?
So, since you have NO REBUTTALS or ANSWERS to anything I've asked you or posted, you have nothing to fall back on but "HEY! Then you do what Jesus said...and send me everything you own".
Good grief. (ha, I didn't say "Jeez"). Oops...guess I just did.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: TerryDon79 I don't believe those teachings are for this day and time. I believe they are for Jews and others who are living in the Kingdom that will be in Jerusalem.

So sorry no money for you today via paypal.

You are not a believer in the word of God. Go jump in some where else and scurry along to the other side of the ATS, for these matter do not concern those who do not believe in Jesus at all.
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

So you believe Jesus is god, but his words don't matter and they were refering to anyone else apart from modern day Christians?

Yet you believe Paul, who wasn't god?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

don't change the subject. If you truly believe that, then prove it by keeping Jesus word and give to him that asketh.

It is your faith you must stand on and part of that is what you believe. If so then take that step of faith and stop wiggling squirming around trying to justify your self. Just obey Jesus and give.

If you and your beliefs/teachings are correct Jesus will bless you. I know this first hand.

If you are wrong you will be without just like those early families in Jerusalem.

Are you not willing to prove your faith by your works?

I have done it most recently this last June. Jesus blessed me.

Why are you so fearful to step out in faith?

If you are right you have nothing to loose and a lot to gain.

If you are wrong you will find you are already in the place of loss.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:22 PM
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His words matter in the right place and time.

You however do not believe any of his words or the Bible.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:29 PM
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So, you pick and choose what your god says as relevant or not? I thought the kjv bible was the "preserved word of god(sic)". And aren't jesus' teachings in said bible? That means you're a hypocrite.

It doesn't matter if I believe or not. I can be knowledgable about a number of things I don't believe in. Like Santa, the Easter bunny, fairies or any number of things.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:32 PM
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Not with people like you who are only mocking and ridiculing and judgemental.

It is not picking an choosing it is right division of the word of truth.

I cannot expect a heathen like you to even comprehend with your fleshly mind and intellect.


Now Plese, TerryDon, I am trying to help a person to prove their faith in what they believes and you are just interfering with your jibberish.

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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

don't change the subject. If you truly believe that, then prove it by keeping Jesus word and give to him that asketh.

It is your faith you must stand on and part of that is what you believe. If so then take that step of faith and stop wiggling squirming around trying to justify your self. Just obey Jesus and give.

If you and your beliefs/teachings are correct Jesus will bless you. I know this first hand.

If you are wrong you will be without just like those early families in Jerusalem.

Are you not willing to prove your faith by your works?



Tell you what, Chester. I'm going to "bless" the hungry families in my town, then I'm going to send some clothes to them, then I'm going to do what I normally do....give to the poor guy on the street corner who's probably addicted to something (which I get), and then I'm going to tell my kids we aren't getting a freaking Christmas tree this year, because it's really unnecessary. And you know what else I'm going to do, send you 50 bucks if you'll pm me your address.

Guess what? That's about all I can do right now.

Not only that. But, you have shown yourself to be (insert word). I don't need to say anymore. Yea, I want to. Does it make you feel good to be an asshat? Cause that's exactly what you are.
And on top of that. There are REAL people in this world that JESUS would have hung around and LOVED, not judging them, nor debating doctrine....because He DIDN'T COME TO GIVE US DOCTRINE! He came to show us how to treat others.
While your savior Paul just acted like an asshole when it suited him. Though, you can't see that, and you resort to petty, ridiculous, demands to somehow make yourself look superior.

I have had God show up in more ways than I can name in the past few months. Oh! And I don't believe Paul's BS either!!

But God has BLESSED ME TOO, Chester. He's blessed me with means to survive when it looked like there was no other way.

Jesus blessed me. So, once again....do you need some money?

Why are you so fearful to step out in faith?

If you are right you have nothing to loose and a lot to gain.

If you are wrong you will find you are already in the place of loss.

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