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The decision is yours to believe. Nevertheless the great evangelizing and giving of his life in no way distracts his love for the Christ Jesus. He gave his life for the Christ Jesus.
So when in 1 Corinthians 4:15 Paul wrote, "Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel."
originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
originally posted by: Malocchio
It's hilarious witnessing every Bible thumping Christian with no understanding of Judaism or the history of the development of Christianity other than what their Bible or Pastor or Priest tells them all accuse each other of not understanding when the book they are thumping is built on a foundation of hypocrisy and lies, backed up by forced conversion and murder for millennia in the name of Christ.
Paul never knew Jesus, Jesus isn't God and Paul was some angry nut job with a pen that some idiots thought ''let's make this a religion to defeat the Jews''
Centuries later people finally decide that this Jesus called Christ is also God and that there were 3 Gods who were 1 God, the Jewish God under Rome (New Babylon).
And people are actually arguing who has the best understanding, insulting each other's intelligence and harping in with fudged historical facts as if they are enlightened and know the truth while everyone who disagrees is lacking in understanding. Hilarious hypocrisy.
If you believe Jesus was born of a virgin, you don't understand nature. If you believe that the miracles in the New Testament weren't written for the specific purpose of ''proving" Jesus was the Messiah and think that of all the world's mythologies THIS ONE is ACTUALLY true:
You don't understand.
If you believe Paul was a prophet with valuable teachings from God:
You REALLY don't understand, and shouldn't be messing with religion because there is a difference between religion and history and:
No man has seen God. Believe whatever you want but calling each other stupid and arguing about your religion just shows how much Christians think talking about their ''faith'' makes them better than everyone else, even though the average Christian knows less about the Bible than I know about the city of Sacramento.
The most knowledgeable people about the Bible are people who don't believe it because they don't have the bias of a Christian and aren't ''required" to accept the nonsense as fact.
And of course Jews, because it's their culture and they value knowledge and intelligence and know how to interpret what the Bible is actually saying instead of just taking it on faith as history.
Reality is mythology can bring people together and establish cultural bonds.
And it can turn people into self loving idiots.
Which cracks me up...because you have "Seede" and "Chester John", who are BOTH fundamental Christians...arguing with one another. Yea, you nailed it, dude. It's all so ridiculous. I get called on the carpet by both of them, yet THEY can't even agree with one another...yet, they believe the "BOOK" is infallible. So, guess what? The "Book" they hold so dearly, causes division even amongst themselves. Guess they can't figure out how to "rightly divide the word of truth".
If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny. And people wonder why I walked away from it all.
All the fundamentalists on here are not only prone to argue with us....but each other. Huh.
originally posted by: Malocchio
a reply to: Akragon
I think you give Paul the credit for the spread of Christianity in error.
Marcion is the sole witness to the Epistles of Paul, nobody in the first century ever heard of the guy.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
edit on 28-9-2016 by ChesterJohn because: (no reason given)
Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
TextJews have always faced persecution because of the ignorant beliefs of Christians who see them as rejecting God because they don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah and allegedly had him killed by Rome (why is Rome not as hated?).
posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 10:32 AM link quote reply a reply to: Akragon He had absolutely nothing to do with the spread of Christianity, which didn't exist in the first century and was formed in the second by Marcion and his money. There is no first century mention of any Christianity in the works of any historians. Until Marcion, Paul didn't exist.
You will notice there is no guardian or Paul calling himself a father in sight for 100 verses either direction. The Bible you quote removes verses, words and changes them, it is not God's word but men's word. You will notice also Paul did not say he was their father as the corrupted Bible of men you quote does.
1Cor 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: