First I would like to thank the judges and wish goodluck to my opponent in the following debate.
A mouse wielding a large sharp knife is chasing a cat. The cat trips and is cut into tiny bloody pieces and the mouse laughs.
That is just what a typical showing of "Itchy and Scratchy" a cartoon within the cartoon, The Simpsons. As the cat is dismembered the Simpson
children laugh hysterically. This is just a satirized version of how our children view extreme violence in the media.
According to reports done by the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and they have discovered.
(Source)
"1. Become "immune" to the horror of violence
2. Gradually accept violence as a way to solve problems
3. Imitate the violence they observe on television; and
4. Identify with certain characters, victims and/or victimizers"
The first point is true the more exposure a child has to violence the more he gets used to it and sees it as normal. Sure you may say "Well its
fake", but an eight or seven year old does not know the difference. Eventually the child nearly becomes like Alex of "A Clockwork Orange" and
becomes immune to the "old ultra-violence".
For point number two is another fact. Once one becomes accustomed to violence they see it as a way to solve whatever problems lay in their path. Gone
is talking and reasoning instead it’s just punches and kicks.
The imitation of violence is one of the worst problems that children face. Remember the old debate many years ago over kids pretending to be Power
Rangers and ended up hurting many of their friends? Recently it’s wrestling. The WWE looks quite real to the eyes of a young boy and he just wants
to be like The Rock. Recently in a 5 year old child injured his 22 month year old cousin while imitating the wresting moves he saw on TV
(Source)
A child needs heroes and sometimes the child sees the wrong hero. He thinks being a vigilante like the Punisher or some crazed bad cop is the way to
go instead of looking up the good heroes. They try to be like their violent idols or they see them selves in the victim who is brutally harmed by the
sadistic villain.
I will touch upon these issues later but these are the groundwork as to why we need to censor the violence in our media.
Thank you and offer to you Sim.
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reply posted on 23-1-2005 @ 08:41 AM by Simulacra
First I would like to thank Mackiller and whoever else is involved for making this possible, this should be interesting.
Now lets see who will be the Master Debater!
The fact that you tried to prove a serious and valid point using the ultra-violent and unrealistic ‘Itchy and Scratchy’ cartoon is completely absurd; and here’s why:
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Has the number of murders by astronomically stretching out one’s tongue to outer space, tying it around the moon and waiting for the victim to swallow a celestial entity risen in the past decade? What about replacing a person’s eyeballs with cherry bombs without the person even realizing?
Illogical cartoon ultra violence at it’s best. The separation of the above events from reality is enormous. Our media has been a virtual scapegoat for the past fifteen years. It is unjustly blamed as the cause of all social ills that exist in America. If a pre-teen finds a gun in her father’s cabinet and brings it to her school, who is to blame? Surely you will hear censorship activist demanding that ‘Grand Theft Auto’ be pulled from store shelves and replaced with the less violent ‘Barnaby Bible Adventures’ because we all know that a simulated game about reality is just too real. But what about the father that stored the gun in his linen closet? Or what about the young girl that found it? Surely she was peer-pressured by a video-game wrestler or a ‘cartoon cat’. It is naive to believe that Sunday morning cartoons have more influence on today’s youth than good parenting. A well educated child will know not to touch a gun. A well educated parent will know not to keep a loaded gun in the reach of children. And a well-educated society will know that censorship is just a form of ignorance in disguise.
It isn’t so simple to filter out reality.
Censorship creates a disillusioned society. Censors believe that covering the eyes and plugging the ears of America’s population will thus create a society that will be free of troubles. This is laughable at best. Do you realize that 99.9% of complaints to the FCC stems from the action of one organization named the ‘Parents Television Council’(Source).
Do you want an organization like this controlling your life? Accepting a censored America is about as un-patriotic as burning your countries flag. It’s time we need a hearty helping of Freedom of Speech? Any takers?
In the land of the censored, the one with unrestricted knowledge is king.
[edit on 23/1/05 by MacKiller]
Now lets see who will be the Master Debater!
The fact that you tried to prove a serious and valid point using the ultra-violent and unrealistic ‘Itchy and Scratchy’ cartoon is completely absurd; and here’s why:
Image removed. Please review rules, no images in opening statement
Has the number of murders by astronomically stretching out one’s tongue to outer space, tying it around the moon and waiting for the victim to swallow a celestial entity risen in the past decade? What about replacing a person’s eyeballs with cherry bombs without the person even realizing?
Illogical cartoon ultra violence at it’s best. The separation of the above events from reality is enormous. Our media has been a virtual scapegoat for the past fifteen years. It is unjustly blamed as the cause of all social ills that exist in America. If a pre-teen finds a gun in her father’s cabinet and brings it to her school, who is to blame? Surely you will hear censorship activist demanding that ‘Grand Theft Auto’ be pulled from store shelves and replaced with the less violent ‘Barnaby Bible Adventures’ because we all know that a simulated game about reality is just too real. But what about the father that stored the gun in his linen closet? Or what about the young girl that found it? Surely she was peer-pressured by a video-game wrestler or a ‘cartoon cat’. It is naive to believe that Sunday morning cartoons have more influence on today’s youth than good parenting. A well educated child will know not to touch a gun. A well educated parent will know not to keep a loaded gun in the reach of children. And a well-educated society will know that censorship is just a form of ignorance in disguise.
It isn’t so simple to filter out reality.
Censorship creates a disillusioned society. Censors believe that covering the eyes and plugging the ears of America’s population will thus create a society that will be free of troubles. This is laughable at best. Do you realize that 99.9% of complaints to the FCC stems from the action of one organization named the ‘Parents Television Council’(Source).
Do you want an organization like this controlling your life? Accepting a censored America is about as un-patriotic as burning your countries flag. It’s time we need a hearty helping of Freedom of Speech? Any takers?
In the land of the censored, the one with unrestricted knowledge is king.
[edit on 23/1/05 by MacKiller]
reply posted on 24-1-2005 @ 11:11 AM by JediMaster
The Itchy and Scratchy cartoon was used to show how children view violence on TV, as funny.
Now the fact is Sim we need the censorship to protect our nation's children. Far too many parents do not care and its up to organizations like the FCC to help these children.
Violence is not only found in television; it is all around in our media. Movies, music, the news, and television as I pointed out.
Violence in Rap Lyrics
In many rap songs there is a large amount of profanity, violence and sex. One such example is
"I kill a devil right now. . . . I say kill whitey all nightey long. . . .I stabbed a #ing Jew with a steeple. . . . I would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the # of it. . . . Menace Clan kill a cracker; jack 'em even quicker. . . . catch that devil slipping; blow his #ing brains out"-Menace Clan, Da Hood
He may not be a mainstream rapper but here a few example from more well known artists.
"Nothing left to do, but buy some shells for my glock
Why? so I can rob every known dope spot
I got 19 dollars and 50 cents up in my pocket with what?
With this automatic rocket
Gotta have it to pop it, unlock it, and take me up a hostage"- Snoop Dogg
"I got a glock that say 'Pac run the block...
My gauge gets me... PAID
As I sit and reminisce about the old days
Hugging on my AK... getting played, hey ...
I pop a clip and grip my nine tight
Now it's on everyday could be my last day
That's why I blast on they ass as I past let the glass spray "- 2Pac
(Source)
Many children are buying and listening to these CDs. Sure there are the 'Explicit Lyrics" warning label on them but that does not stop them from listening to them. Parents buy the CDs for them friends let them borrow them the possibilities are endless.
Glorified Violence in Movies
In movies, most notably in more modern ones where violence is more gratuitous, and realistic, violence has become glorified. A more disturbing fact is a study conducted in 2001.
"A 2001 report by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) reveals U.S. media corporations are "actively marketing violent entertainment to children and teens. The study showed that 80% of R-rated movies, 70% of restricted video games, and 100% of music with 'explicit content' warning labels were being marketed to kids under 17," reports Tallim." (Source)
A recent example is the remake of the classic "Assault on Precinent 13" which is clearly being marketed towards children mostly teens.
Children Affected By Violence
Like I said earlier children imitate violence and studies conducted since the 1950s have shown this.
"In 1956, researchers took to the laboratory to compare the behaviour of 24 children watching TV. Half watched a violent episode of the cartoon Woody Woodpecker, and the other 12 watched the non-violent cartoon The Little Red Hen. During play afterwards, the researchers observed that the children who watched the violent cartoon were much more likely to hit other children and break toys." (Source)
Now as we can see violence is a threat to our children. Children have imitated this violence since the first violent cartoon. Now I am not saying we ban every violent piece of content, I am promoting the idea of censoring it and making violent media content harder for children to get.
Now the fact is Sim we need the censorship to protect our nation's children. Far too many parents do not care and its up to organizations like the FCC to help these children.
Violence is not only found in television; it is all around in our media. Movies, music, the news, and television as I pointed out.
Violence in Rap Lyrics
In many rap songs there is a large amount of profanity, violence and sex. One such example is
"I kill a devil right now. . . . I say kill whitey all nightey long. . . .I stabbed a #ing Jew with a steeple. . . . I would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the # of it. . . . Menace Clan kill a cracker; jack 'em even quicker. . . . catch that devil slipping; blow his #ing brains out"-Menace Clan, Da Hood
He may not be a mainstream rapper but here a few example from more well known artists.
"Nothing left to do, but buy some shells for my glock
Why? so I can rob every known dope spot
I got 19 dollars and 50 cents up in my pocket with what?
With this automatic rocket
Gotta have it to pop it, unlock it, and take me up a hostage"- Snoop Dogg
"I got a glock that say 'Pac run the block...
My gauge gets me... PAID
As I sit and reminisce about the old days
Hugging on my AK... getting played, hey ...
I pop a clip and grip my nine tight
Now it's on everyday could be my last day
That's why I blast on they ass as I past let the glass spray "- 2Pac
(Source)
Many children are buying and listening to these CDs. Sure there are the 'Explicit Lyrics" warning label on them but that does not stop them from listening to them. Parents buy the CDs for them friends let them borrow them the possibilities are endless.
Glorified Violence in Movies
In movies, most notably in more modern ones where violence is more gratuitous, and realistic, violence has become glorified. A more disturbing fact is a study conducted in 2001.
"A 2001 report by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) reveals U.S. media corporations are "actively marketing violent entertainment to children and teens. The study showed that 80% of R-rated movies, 70% of restricted video games, and 100% of music with 'explicit content' warning labels were being marketed to kids under 17," reports Tallim." (Source)
A recent example is the remake of the classic "Assault on Precinent 13" which is clearly being marketed towards children mostly teens.
Children Affected By Violence
Like I said earlier children imitate violence and studies conducted since the 1950s have shown this.
"In 1956, researchers took to the laboratory to compare the behaviour of 24 children watching TV. Half watched a violent episode of the cartoon Woody Woodpecker, and the other 12 watched the non-violent cartoon The Little Red Hen. During play afterwards, the researchers observed that the children who watched the violent cartoon were much more likely to hit other children and break toys." (Source)
Now as we can see violence is a threat to our children. Children have imitated this violence since the first violent cartoon. Now I am not saying we ban every violent piece of content, I am promoting the idea of censoring it and making violent media content harder for children to get.
reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 01:29 PM by Simulacra
Originally posted by JediMaster
The Itchy and Scratchy cartoon was used to show how children view violence on TV, as funny.
I think you've proved my point here. Kids watch these hyper-simulated cartoons and see one thing funny. They don't get a sudden urge to go to the nearest Home Depot, purchase a 100lb hammer and see if their friends will turn into a perfectly geometrical 'pancake'. Children can distinguish fantasy from reality.
Originally posted by JediMaster
Now the fact is Sim we need the censorship to protect our nation's children. Far too many parents do not care and its up to organizations like the FCC to help these children.
No. It's up to the FCC to promote their hidden agenda to pacify all of it's citizens. Supporting the FCC is only aiding in their cause. If too many parents do not care what their children watch on the Television then wouldn’t that be a sure sign that many parents in America are simply horrible and apathetic parents?.
I mean honestly, what parent in their right mind would much rather forfeit their right to be a parent and give their children up to government entities in order to be taught, trained, and processed?
Originally posted by JediMaster
Violence is not only found in television; it is all around in our media. Movies, music, the news, and television as I pointed out.
I think you forgot one source. Violence is also found in reality. Reality is inescapable. And we can't censor reality
Originally posted by JediMaster
Violence in Rap Lyrics
In many rap songs there is a large amount of profanity, violence and sex. One such example is
"I kill a devil right now. . . . I say kill whitey all nightey long. . . .I stabbed a #ing Jew with a steeple. . . . I would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the # of it. . . . Menace Clan kill a cracker; jack 'em even quicker. . . . catch that devil slipping; blow his #ing brains out"-Menace Clan, Da Hood
He may not be a mainstream rapper but here a few example from more well known artists.
"Nothing left to do, but buy some shells for my glock
Why? so I can rob every known dope spot
I got 19 dollars and 50 cents up in my pocket with what?
With this automatic rocket
Gotta have it to pop it, unlock it, and take me up a hostage"- Snoop Dogg
"I got a glock that say 'Pac run the block...
My gauge gets me... PAID
As I sit and reminisce about the old days
Hugging on my AK... getting played, hey ...
I pop a clip and grip my nine tight
Now it's on everyday could be my last day
That's why I blast on they ass as I past let the glass spray "- 2Pac
These artist (very important word here) are merely expressing their reality. These lyrics aren’t helpful tips in order to give yourself the gift of 5-20 in a state pen. That is the exact lifestyle that these artist are trying to prevent upon the youth and others.
Do you realize how Tupac Shakur was a revolutionary and poet before he was a rapper. He made these lyrics in order to give an insight to his life. His daily reality. The media wouldn’t allow it because of...you guessed it, Censorship. Why run 8'oclock feature on the local news about crimes that happened in the ghetto when you could easily cover the origin of the 'fruitcake' (true story).
Ignoring reality is the easiest way for people to forget the world they live in.
Tupac realized that his reality was being squelched. He exposed his world by the only means possible, lyrics.
The problem is not with censoring these artist. The real problem is fixing the root problem in society. Instead of putting another liquor store in the corner of a ghetto, why not put a child day-care? Or maybe a library?
Originally posted by JediMaster
Many children are buying and listening to these CDs. Sure there are the 'Explicit Lyrics" warning label on them but that does not stop them from listening to them. Parents buy the CDs for them friends let them borrow them the possibilities are endless.
Once again, the label reads. 'Parental Guidance Explicit Lyrics. Note the 'Parental Guidance'. That means that it is the sole responsibility of the parent to guide their kid into what they can own.
Originally posted by JediMaster
Glorified Violence in Movies
In movies, most notably in more modern ones where violence is more gratuitous, and realistic, violence has become glorified. A more disturbing fact is a study conducted in 2001.
"A 2001 report by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) reveals U.S. media corporations are "actively marketing violent entertainment to children and teens. The study showed that 80% of R-rated movies, 70% of restricted video games, and 100% of music with 'explicit content' warning labels were being marketed to kids under 17," reports Tallim." (Source)
A recent example is the remake of the classic "Assault on Precinent 13" which is clearly being marketed towards children mostly teens.
Once again. This is solely for entertainment as stated above. That is why there are laws in place at movie theatres preventing minors from seeing Rated R movies.
Originally posted by JediMaster
Children Affected By Violence
Like I said earlier children imitate violence and studies conducted since the 1950s have shown this.
"In 1956, researchers took to the laboratory to compare the behaviour of 24 children watching TV. Half watched a violent episode of the cartoon Woody Woodpecker, and the other 12 watched the non-violent cartoon The Little Red Hen. During play afterwards, the researchers observed that the children who watched the violent cartoon were much more likely to hit other children and break toys." (Source)
Do you realize that your study is nearly 50 years old?.
Also here is another quote from the same website that you forgot to include:
However, this line of research has attracted a great deal of controversy. Pullitzer Prize-winning author Richard Rhodes has attacked Eron’s work, arguing that his conclusions are based on an insignificant amount of data. Rhodes claims that Eron had information about the amount of TV viewed in 1960 for only 3 of the 24 men who committed violent crimes as adults years later. Rhodes concludes that Eron’s work is "poorly conceived, scientifically inadequate, biased and sloppy if not actually fraudulent research."
(Source)
reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 03:09 PM by JediMaster
First of Sim, violence may be found in reality but for the most part children are NOT watching it for entertainment. More children see violence on
television than in reality.
According to the American Psychological Association a child will witness "8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of televised violence in his lifetime". Furthermore according to the Christian Science Monitor "More than 3,000 studies over the past 30 years offer evidence that violent programming has a measurable effect on young minds. Source
Sure you can say that "Well not all kids watch CSI or The Shield" but violence takes place in many children's cartoons as well.
"In 1992, WGN's "Cookie's Cartoon Club," Fox's "Tom and Jerry Kids," and Nickelodeon's "Looney Tunes" averaged 100, 88 and 80 acts of violence per hour, respectively" Which was taken from the above mentioned website.
The fact is that the children need to be protected, that we must step in and guide them since their own parents cannot. By censoring the violence in our media we would be able to see a generation that is less desensitized to violence and possibly have a more cultured one.
According to the American Psychological Association a child will witness "8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of televised violence in his lifetime". Furthermore according to the Christian Science Monitor "More than 3,000 studies over the past 30 years offer evidence that violent programming has a measurable effect on young minds. Source
Sure you can say that "Well not all kids watch CSI or The Shield" but violence takes place in many children's cartoons as well.
"In 1992, WGN's "Cookie's Cartoon Club," Fox's "Tom and Jerry Kids," and Nickelodeon's "Looney Tunes" averaged 100, 88 and 80 acts of violence per hour, respectively" Which was taken from the above mentioned website.
The fact is that the children need to be protected, that we must step in and guide them since their own parents cannot. By censoring the violence in our media we would be able to see a generation that is less desensitized to violence and possibly have a more cultured one.
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