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Hillary health 'conspiracy' goes 'mainstream'

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posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: network dude

The right hasn't just "mentioned" coughing ... there has been 24/7 speculation that Hillary has everything from Parkinson's to Ebola to the Bubonic Plague (or at least thats about how reasonable it is.)

The only fact here is that the "latest news" is that she's had allergies for a few months (not unusual in summer) and that she's had pneumonia since Friday.


gryph.....you are right....there seems to be a point in the personal beliefs of people where the constant drumbeat of suspicion by right-wing media, can lead to a overriding paranoid belief that the "others" are wrong, or if no evidence is produced, then the "others" are lying.




posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:06 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
Is this site now moderating posts before they are posted? I have noticed several posts in this thread that take a few minutes to populate. I can even go to other threads and back before it shows up. Anyone else?



Apparently you are not alone judging by the comments above and below yours.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

It's just common sense, not to mention the Friday diagnosis of pneumonia, until she passes out on Sunday!

Then to lie and say she was just overheated when she passed out, is again the common sense approach!

Oh I forgot, she only stumbled or misstepped, nothing to see here folks!

Trust is the reason I am not voting for HRC, I simply don't trust anything from her or her campaign, but then again, that's just common sense!




edit on 12-9-2016 by AlaskanDad because: typo clean up



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler

I haven't made "excuses" for her. If you want to keep conversing with me, drop the silly loaded language.


Sure, like your comments about people thinking she is "the incarnation of Ultimate Evil" Yeah, my language was way more loaded than that.



I've stated the facts about pneumonia and about the sequence of events I've witnessed. I haven't changed "my defense" because I'm not making one.


Ok but you have ignored that these facts mean nothing when Hillary's own people say how infectious this particular illness has been.


You don't know what precautions were taken, but you want to assume that you do. You don't know what kind of infection she has, but you want to pretend that you know all about it.


You are right I have no idea what precautions were taken. There is video of her doing press conferences Friday night, and she didn't appear to have on a mask or be taking any other precautions. And we haven't heard of any precautions by any press people that were with her all weekend. They seemed to be clueless that she even saw a doctor that diagnosed her.

And I do know something about her illness, because her people said it was severely infectious. Are you saying we should think that this staement about her illness is a lie, but the other statements they are making is the truth?


Most of all I'm not "giving her the benefit of the doubt." She hasn't lied! She has pneumonia. What I saw from the videos yesterday are completely consistent with someone who has pneumonia and has just sat out in the sun for 1.5 hrs early in the morning probably with insufficient rest. She was probably dehydrated I'm sure on top of everything else. Ever been dehydrated? Fainting is common.


I have had pneumonia and was bed ridden, and would not have been at events like she was. It was horrible. Yet she looked quite good at her speech Friday night, after she had been diagnosed. That seems incredible.

You are giving her the benfit of the doubt about taking precautions. Despite the fact that she was with the press core all weekend and not one of them reported her taking any measures that would lead them to belive she was infectious, you assume she did take these measures. This despite the fact that her people knew this has a highly infectious illness that had stricken many people around her.


While we're sharing personal anecdotes, I find it absurd that you don't' see that it was a matter of political expediency to avoid announcing the pneumonia (along with the fact that it's really none of our business.) I'm voting for her to be President, not to Tweet every time she passes wind or has a coughing spell.


I agree it was politically expedient to not admit she was sick at the time. Now she has been caught covering the truth, and it looks bad for her. That is the risk you take when you try to cover something up.

And my point is if she endangered people because it would have been politically expedient that is "deplorable".


"You feel like I should be skeptical"? Well, good. I feel like you've twisted what I've represented here at least three times for mere rhetorical advantage. I know you know better.

Again, you don't know that anyone was "endangered" but we're just belaboring that point.


Look I apoligize if you I twisted your words. Here is how I am reading your stance.

There is no proof for the conspiracy theories about her having serious long term illness like Parkinsons etc. What you saw looked like pneumonia, and it isn't that big of a deal. Had she came out and said Friday when she was diagnosed, people that hate her would have said this was proof of her being ill, so she decided not to. You also don't think she endangered anyone because pneumonia isn't that contagious.

I pointed out that her people said this illness was very contagious. You then ignored this, and said I had no proof that she didn't take precautions to not get people ill. I said that you were giving her the benefit of the doubt about these precautions.

If this is not your stance, I apologize, but I would like to hear your stance.


Perhaps attending the 9/11 Memorial would be "just a photo op" for you; apparently for Clinton, she felt like attendance merited her placing herself in the situation where what happened happened.

She's human. She has limits. How wonderful that a moment of weakness was captured from so many angles so that it can be replayed for months.

Politics is a dirty, dirty business. Let's not pretend otherwise.


But I am referencing your point that it would not have been politically expedient for her to disclose her pneumonia. You said it would have looked bad for her to not show up or to just leave. I said if she endangered people because she didn't want to look bad, that is disgusting. Regardless of what she thought of the event, she shouldn't put people at risk to attend.

And I even admitted that she may not have been contagious Sunday if she had been taking antibiotics since Friday. I am questioning why she attended all of the events Friday and Saturday if she knew she was contagious.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Gryphon66

Bottom line only a Clinton could make something so trivial as pneumonia, into a valid conspiracy by how badly her campaign mismanages things, when they decided to not be straight forward and non transparent.

She had no reason to hide the fact she had pneumonia. She and her team chose to hide that fact initially , and now people have a valid reason to question if its the truth. This is her and her campaigns doing.


she didn't hide that fact that she had pneumonia.....a couple of hours after wobbling to the SUV, she was diagnosed with it....I guess she is suppose to tweet it the minute she finds out

No.
She was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday, according to the MSM repeating her campaign's word.
Initially, her campaign reported that she left Ground Zero early because she was bothered by the heat and went to Chelsea's apartment to rest.
Then , after the news was showing the video of her collapsing, the campaign decided that they should tell the news organizations that Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Gryphon66

Bottom line only a Clinton could make something so trivial as pneumonia, into a valid conspiracy by how badly her campaign mismanages things, when they decided to not be straight forward and non transparent.

She had no reason to hide the fact she had pneumonia. She and her team chose to hide that fact initially , and now people have a valid reason to question if its the truth. This is her and her campaigns doing.


she didn't hide that fact that she had pneumonia.....a couple of hours after wobbling to the SUV, she was diagnosed with it....I guess she is suppose to tweet it the minute she finds out


The official press release was she got diagnosed on Friday.




posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

she didn't hide that fact that she had pneumonia.....a couple of hours after wobbling to the SUV, she was diagnosed with it....I guess she is suppose to tweet it the minute she finds out


This is not correct. According to her camp, she was diagnosed Friday.

So she did not tell people until Sunday. Instead of admitting that she was diagnosed two days earlier with pneumonia, her camp said she wasn't sick and just fell. Then when the video surfaced that showed this wasn't true, they claimed she overheated and may have been dehydrated.

Later in the day, they came up with the third story, that she was sick, and had been diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday. So they gave two explanations for the situation while they supposed knew all along that she had pneumonia. Why would they not admit as soon as she fell that this was why? This is why people are skeptical.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: interupt42
It doesn't exactly add up. First it was spinned like she tripped, than heat exhaustion, and now pneumonia.


The only reason her camp did not throw the Zika virus into the mix is that they know any mosquito unfortunate enough to ingest her blood would instantly vaporize in a cloud of noxious smoke.


Mosquitos can't penetrate the new models exterior super-enhanced dermis.
edit on 12-9-2016 by TJ4life because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:18 PM
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In fact, the campaign did lie to NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell.

Early on in the story yesterday, she reported that when she spoke to the Clinton Campaign, she asked them if there was anything wrong with Hillary and they told her that she had 'no health issues' that caused her early departure from the event.
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posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Yea um no, it doesnt take a few days... if your far enough along that you get an accurate diagnosis for it... you are already on your butt... not like supposedly happened with her.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

I could quote folks here at ATS calling her all versions of Evil, Grambler.

I didn't toss that at you, I haven't mischaracterized what your concerns are, I haven't rephrased what you've said.

And you know the difference.

You do realize I guess that pneumonia is the swelling of the sacs in the lungs and that there are any number of things that can cause it?

There is "a bug" going around the campaign ... do they all have pneumonia? Or not?

Or are you trying to equate two things that, again, don't seem to be equatable?

You seem to think I'm here making a claim and providing supporting information.

What I'm doing in fact is responding to the many inaccuracies, misrepresentations, and garden-variety Clinton-bashing with the best facts I have ... not unlike I always do.

You're concerned about her putting people at risk. It's a valid logical concern. Perhaps that's what you need to hear from me. It's logical just not that reasonable in my opinion.

But, then again, this was New York, in crowds of people, etc. The fact probably was that people were "exposed" to all sorts of things, perhaps from Clinton, perhaps from anyone else there.

You'll pardon me if this whole thing looks like more manufactured Clinton outrage. Or not.




edit on 12-9-2016 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
In fact, the campaign did lie to NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell.

Early on in the story yesterday, she reported that when she spoke to the Clinton Campaign, she asked them if there was anything wrong with Hillary and they told her that she had 'no health issues' that caused her early departure from the event.


Then Clinton needs to find out who "that person" was, verify that's what happened, and ask for their resignation.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
I just thought of something.

Crazy idea, maybe.

But we've all been working under the assumption that Hillary runs the DNC, the democrat party, completely.

What if there's a rift in the party and she was actually hiding her illnesses from her own people and not just from the rest of the world?


You're very insightful, DBCowboy. Rush Limbaugh floated that very idea today. I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the emergency DNC meetings to discuss Hillary's fate. They themselves might have more questions than answers.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's just common sense, not to mention the Friday diagnosis of pneumonia, until she passes out on Sunday!

Then to lie and say she was just overheated when she passed out, is again the common sense approach!

Oh I forgot, she only stumbled or misstepped, nothing to see here folks!

Trust is the reason I am not voting for HRC, I simply don't trust anything from her or her campaign, but then again, that's just common sense!



As you're replying to me, I'll give you my best response, although you seem to be making general complaints.

I haven't made any comments about "common sense" as that seems to be setting you off.

It's obvious that Clinton chose not to disclose and to move on with her schedule.

It's obvious that after the documented stumble at the van, that decision was reversed.

I think you should vote for what you deem to be your best interests; that's what I'm doing.

I've never misunderstood, however, that Clinton is a politician, that her campaign is a political operation.

And politics are dirty. All of them.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: network dude
Is this site now moderating posts before they are posted? I have noticed several posts in this thread that take a few minutes to populate. I can even go to other threads and back before it shows up. Anyone else?



Apparently you are not alone judging by the comments above and below yours.


It is a very strange phenomenon; I've noted the exact same thing.

I wondered if posts were being screened.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler



You do realize I guess that pneumonia is the swelling of the sacs in the lungs and that there are any number of things that can cause it?

There is "a bug" going around the campaign ... do they all have pneumonia? Or not?

Or are you trying to equate two things that, again, don't seem to be equatable?



I am not the one equating this, that was her people. Again from the People article I quoted, which is entitled "Pneumonia Bug That Struck Hillary Clinton also Seriously Sickened Several Members of Her Staff"



The illness that sickened Hillary Clinton with pneumonia and caused her to have to be escorted away from September 11 ceremonies in New York on Sunday also struck down several members of her campaign team at Clinton headquarters in Brooklyn, PEOPLE has learned.

"Everyone's been sick," a campaign source tells PEOPLE.

At the end of August, two weeks before Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia, a debilitating bug was making the rounds among staff at her headquarters and campaign aides who travel with Clinton, a source tells PEOPLE.

At least half a dozen senior staff were felled, including campaign manager Robby Mook. Two top advisers even needed emergency medical treatment, the source says. One top adviser diagnosed at a Brooklyn urgent-care center with a respiratory infection was being treated with antibiotics in the days before Clinton's diagnosis. Another top adviser was taken by ambulance to the ER by ambulance after collapsing from what turned out to be severe dehydration, the source said.


www.people.com...

Thats her campaign saying this.

I understand you are tired of people having theories on her health, and thats fine. I just think that the way the Clinton campaign handled this, by not first admitting she was sick could have endangered many people. I also think that her campaign putting out two versions of what happened when apparently they knew full well she had pneumonia makes them look really bad.

I don't think this is manufactured outrage. It casts doubts in her campaigns credibility if they are covering up little things such as this because it benefits them politically to do so. It makes you wonder what they would do to cover up something that could really hurt her campaign.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: introvert

Yea um no, it doesnt take a few days... if your far enough along that you get an accurate diagnosis for it... you are already on your butt... not like supposedly happened with her.


Stranger things have happened and I don't find any reason to believe there is anything else happening here other than what they have told us.

It makes no sense for them to lie about this to the public. It's just pneumonia.

Now I know that some people will ramp-up their conspiratorial rhetoric because of their political partisanship, but that is not my problem.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: network dude

The right hasn't just "mentioned" coughing ... there has been 24/7 speculation that Hillary has everything from Parkinson's to Ebola to the Bubonic Plague (or at least thats about how reasonable it is.)

The only fact here is that the "latest news" is that she's had allergies for a few months (not unusual in summer) and that she's had pneumonia since Friday.


LOL, yes. When asked, "are you sick" and the answer was "//coughing fit, hacking up half a lung// no, not at all.", the people who asked did speculate a bit. But as I mentioned, THEY WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG. So your point is a bit muted.


State the day and the time when what you just reported actually happened.

If not, you should state that you're at the very least being hyperbolic.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66




Yes, this is another chance to bash on the Clinton's.


More accurately Clinton and her campaign chose to expose themselves to such scrutiny , when they decided the less ethical path by not coming out with the truth and facts from the start.




Etc. etc. Same BS different day.


Yes that appears to be the appropriate Clinton campaign slogan, which could have been easily avoided had they been truthful and forthcoming from the start.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: butcherguy
In fact, the campaign did lie to NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell.

Early on in the story yesterday, she reported that when she spoke to the Clinton Campaign, she asked them if there was anything wrong with Hillary and they told her that she had 'no health issues' that caused her early departure from the event.


Then Clinton needs to find out who "that person" was, verify that's what happened, and ask for their resignation.


Maybe.
I would think that he was doing what Hillary wanted him to do.




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