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NEWS FLASH: They can't swap Hillary out it's too late !!!

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posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 01:43 AM
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The election HAS ALREADY STARTED....
It is too late to change names on the ballots almost everywhere.

Early voting starts today, Sep 12, in in New York, and New Hampshire

Minnesota starts Sep 23
South Dakota, and Michigan starts Sep 24
Vermont starts Sep 25
Illinois starts Sep 29
Wyoming starts Sep 30

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People are saying they can just change the person, it' not that easy, if you vote for somebody who has dropped out or was removed your ballot is basically voided.
edit on 12-9-2016 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)




posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 01:44 AM
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For once, the Dems early/absentee balloting scams are going to backfire on them!

Can you be more explicit. Like...what backfire?



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 01:52 AM
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a reply to: Blue_Jay33

That's not true.

U.S. National Archives and Records Administration


What happens if a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated?

If a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the general election and the meeting of electors, under federal law, the electors pledged to the deceased candidate may vote for the candidate of their choice at the meeting of electors. Individual states may pass laws on the subject, but no federal law proscribes how electors must vote when a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated. In 1872, when Horace Greeley passed away between election day and the meeting of electors, the electors who were slated to vote for Greeley voted for various candidates, including Greeley. The votes cast for Greeley were not counted due to a House resolution passed regarding the matter. See the full Electoral College vote counts for President and Vice President in the 1872 election.

As to a candidate who dies or becomes incapacitated between the meeting of electors and the counting of electoral votes in Congress, the Constitution is silent on whether this candidate meets the definition of “President elect” or “Vice President elect.” If the candidate with a majority of the electoral votes is considered “President elect,” even before the counting of electoral votes in Congress, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment applies. Section 3 of the 20th Amendment states that the Vice President elect will become President if the President elect dies or becomes incapacitated.

If a winning Presidential candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the counting of electoral votes in Congress and the inauguration, the Vice President elect will become President, according to Section 3 of the 20th Amendment.


It really comes down to state laws governing electors. 21 states have no laws regarding how an elector votes. The other 29 and DC have a variety of laws. Some of them only specify that the elector must vote for the candidate of the party to which he pledged. In those sorts of cases a vote for Clinton would essentially just be a vote for the candidate that replaced her for the Democrats. Then there are states where the laws governing electors (to stop/punish faithless electors in particular) might pose a problem and the DNC would likely have to go to court unless the state legislatures convened an emergency session. It would be interesting to see what the GOP would do. I suspect they'd try to facilitate the Democrats to avoid the blowback. I'm sure somebody will put together a table with a brief summary of the various state laws.

There's a list of deadlines here along with some other interesting information.
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posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 02:10 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

That's not true.

U.S. National Archives and Records Administration


What happens if a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated?

If a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the general election and the meeting of electors, under federal law, the electors pledged to the deceased candidate may vote for the candidate of their choice at the meeting of electors. Individual states may pass laws on the subject, but no federal law proscribes how electors must vote when a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated. In 1872, when Horace Greeley passed away between election day and the meeting of electors, the electors who were slated to vote for Greeley voted for various candidates, including Greeley. The votes cast for Greeley were not counted due to a House resolution passed regarding the matter. See the full Electoral College vote counts for President and Vice President in the 1872 election.

As to a candidate who dies or becomes incapacitated between the meeting of electors and the counting of electoral votes in Congress, the Constitution is silent on whether this candidate meets the definition of “President elect” or “Vice President elect.” If the candidate with a majority of the electoral votes is considered “President elect,” even before the counting of electoral votes in Congress, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment applies. Section 3 of the 20th Amendment states that the Vice President elect will become President if the President elect dies or becomes incapacitated.

If a winning Presidential candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the counting of electoral votes in Congress and the inauguration, the Vice President elect will become President, according to Section 3 of the 20th Amendment.





If a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the general election and the meeting of electors

You do know what the general election and the meeting of the electoral college is , right ? Evidently not......



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 02:15 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog
Got anything saying that a party cannot provide a substitute before the general?



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Huh? I posted that to show a worst case scenario. Not only could the party change their candidate up to the election, they could theoretically change candidates after the election. Federal law doesn't prevent it. The electoral college doesn't meet until the Monday following the 3rd Wednesday in Decemeber which will be the 19th this time around.

There's a gray area after the meeting of the electors and the before Congress counts the votes (January 6, 2017) if she were to become unable to serve after the 6th though, Kain would become President.

The issue is really the various states' deadlines and laws governing how electors can vote. You do understand how the electoral college works, right?

"Evidently not......"

The OP is completely wrong.
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posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 02:29 AM
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Bloody hell what a mess,


If they will/could change this far into the election campaign what is the probability that the person coming in would have any chance after all this. Do do get me wrong If I was an American I would vote Trump just to see what the outcome was long term and to piss off a few of the elites, plus as a Brit I tend to support the underdog. The election would be handed to him would it not???..

In regards to Hillary it is almost like they are dragging a corpse over the finish line as honestly her health situation is now farcical as today has proven.

I say they have 72 hours to resolve this absurd situation and get their ass in gear..


RA



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 02:35 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Here for example is the law in New Jersey. Notice the use of the word "slate" throughout. Here's how "slate" is defined (my bold for emphasis):


“Presidential slate” means a slate of two persons, the first of whom has been nominated as a candidate for President of the United States and the second of whom has been nominated as a candidate for Vice President of the United States, or any legal successors to such persons, regardless of whether both names appear on the ballot presented to the voter in a particular state;



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:16 AM
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a reply to: Blue_Jay33

They can't swap Hillary out it's too late. Sure? what happens if she goes into a coma or something worse happens?
thanks
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posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:21 AM
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NEWS FLASH: They can't swap Hillary out it's too late !!!

Obama has a Phone and a Pen, nothing is impossible.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:22 AM
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originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
what happens if she goes into a coma or something worse happens?

Trump?
That could be worse.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:31 AM
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originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
what happens if she goes into a coma or something worse happens?

Trump?
That could be worse.




How so ? A turd is a turd no matter what sauce you use



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:32 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Could be.
I said could be.

But we'll never know. Either way. Which would be worse.


Ain't it great that that is the way we look at it? Which is worse?



edit on 9/12/2016 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:35 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Details details....



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:36 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

There be the devil.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:41 AM
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a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Your wrong the president is determined by the Electoral College. There votes determine the president. If a candidate dies or became incapacitated this would free up there votes. Your voting just determimes how they are supposed to vote but if they can't than the can make up there own choice. Meaning yes another candidate could be submitted and a vote taken. So yes a candidate could be replaced and a debate would occur. Though I will say it's very unlikely most likely they would just change there vote to the other candidate or vote for Hillary. And could even try to get the vice president elected. They don't technically have to be thr president choice.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:46 AM
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a reply to: Phage

When the devil is in the details it makes no difference who is worse....we are simply fubar



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:47 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Details always matter.
Always.



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:49 AM
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a reply to: Phage

In that case i take the douche bag over the turd sandwich...
edit on 12-9-2016 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: cant friggin spell



posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 03:53 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Yeah.
Well. It would seem that you have a similar manner of speech.



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