Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in 'basket of deplorables'

George Bush was the "great uniter?"

LOL. What a happy load of horsepucks. 9/11 was the only thing that united us again ... for a while.

He was the most disliked President in recent history.

Back to the topic: Calling out racists, et. al. for being racist isn't divisive ... it's the truth.

We don't hear that a lot from politicians, and we certainly don't hear it from Donald J. Trump.

Clinton though? We'll see. The press may well Carter her. But today, I admire her for speaking the truth for a change.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: kruphix

Thank you for your generosity.

How much knowledge of someone do you require to determine their value according to Hillary?

TheRedneck

Quite a bit in some instances...not much in others.

Depends how closeted a person is with their beliefs.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Gryphon66

Ah, well, twice I have tried to make my point to you; twice you have missed it, preferring to instead become defensive. So be it.

I wish you well in your endeavors. I suspect otherwise, but I do wish you well.

TheRedneck

I haven't missed anything. You want Hillary Clinton to be held responsible somehow for insulting you last night and today, because someone somewhere has called you unfair names and you're choosing to take what she said personally because you support DJT.

I stand against anyone calling you unfair names, but I stand for speaking the truth for a change. That is all Clinton did, last night and today.

America has no place for racism, sexism, homophobia, religious intolerance, and ethnic hatred. Not any more.

It's tearing us apart.

"Wish me well"? Sure. I wish you well too.

(I'll avoid the sniping codicil.)

a reply to: Realtruth

It absolutely should be, but the Jerry Springer nation mentality wants and tit for a tat, and they want to fight fire with fire.

People are choosing their leaders based on emotions, rather than picking a leader that has ethics, good leadership qualities, and critical thinking skills.

IMO, an absolutely correct analysis that bears repeating.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: xuenchen

Oh YAY!

Team Trump, Trump, and Trumpsters.

Can dish it out, but can't take it.

They're completely ridiculous.

Maybe the "Trump Train" should take some advice from the Little Engine that Could.

The fact they are so blind is astounding.

"I can do it, but you can't"

Do you really have the audacity to paint with a broad brush all Trump supporters as being blind? You mean Hillary supporters who completely ignore her unethical, if not criminal (I know she has never been indicted for anything, so don't start preaching to me) political career?

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: Gryphon66

Oh, look who got triggered so easily by the truth.

General leftist tactics. Throw out ridiculous labels like racist and bigot and sexist, then throw an emotional tantrum and launch insults when called on it. Just regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

Rinse, repeat.

Yada yada, triggered, safe space, leftists are poo.

/yawn

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

No, I do not see how a comment that racism, sexism, et. al are deplorable is insulting. To me, it sounds like a much-needed truth.

What's interesting about this comment is I actually agree with it in part.

When laying the truth cards on the table, why not lay them all out.

Hillary needs to stop lying and just tell the truth, also deflection by name calling, or ad hominem attacks is a logical fallacy.



She and Trump are the epitome of hypocrites

She's a politician; he's a corrupt businessman.

Yeah, hypocrisy is probably endemic to both categories.

originally posted by: Realtruth

People are choosing their leaders based on emotions, rather than picking a leader that has ethics, good leadership qualities, and critical thinking skills.

I'll vote for a 3rd party for sure this time around.

You say that like there's some alternative being offered here ... who has ethics, leadership skills, and critical thinking.

Who would that be?

I don't understand why Trump supporters are lighting up the internet today with anger at Hillary, and/or being "insulted" by her comment Friday night. Trump supporters are not voting for Hillary anyway, so "What Difference Does it Make!" what she says? A lot of fragile egos, and overinflated egos out there in the country. I'm surprised.

originally posted by: carewemust
I don't understand why Trump supporters are lighting up the internet today with anger at Hillary, and/or being "insulted" by her comment Friday night. Trump supporters are not voting for Hillary anyway, so "What Difference Does it Make!" what she says? A lot of fragile egos, and overinflated egos out there in the country. I'm surprised.

You should be terrified; I agree with everything you just said.

/shiver

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: derfreebie


And you DO know she wants to abolish every one of
everybody's basic rights-- constitutional or otherwise.
She mentions it as major elements of her platform. I espe-
cially like "We're going to have to take away things..." :yeah,
that quote.

I suppose for this^ I should be called deplorable.

I wouldn't call you deplorable ... I'd call you either extraordinarily misinformed or intentionally misrepresenting the truth.

Which is it?

Why don't you link up the proof of Hillary wanting to "abolish every one of everybody's basic rights" ... ?

Put your facts where your beliefs are.

Hillary on gun control:
www.ontheissues.org...

A couple of recent insights into her 'progressive' nurturing:
www.thepoliticalinsider.com...

Possibly a big human-rights crowbar by stigmatizing 'extremists':
www.alternet.org...

I'm going to look for that broad brush she used with
the "take away", but sure I've seen it before.. I'll see the
quote again soon. It's a big backup drive, better than my
immediate memory serves however.
The jist of this is, I'm seeing a lot of what FDR clamped
down on in this country with as oppressive socialism.
The trend is continuing unabated: apparently by the Dems
and RINOs. In fact the establishment at large is out of control.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Realtruth

People are choosing their leaders based on emotions, rather than picking a leader that has ethics, good leadership qualities, and critical thinking skills.

I'll vote for a 3rd party for sure this time around.

You say that like there's some alternative being offered here ... who has ethics, leadership skills, and critical thinking.

Who would that be?

Anyone that has ethics, good leadership qualities, and critical thinking skills.


Take your pick write someone in if needed, but with the two turds, in the punch bowl, I'll not partake in the festive drink this time around, thank you.

a reply to: derfreebie

Gun control is not the repeal of the Second Amendment or anything even similar to that. See District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008).

Clinton wrote to Saul Alinsky in 1968? What does that have to do with "taking away everyone's rights"? again?

And finally, an article from Alternet that doesn't even mention Clinton's name.

This is your proof that she wants' to take everyone's rights away?

Lay off the right-wing echo chamber for a while --- you may feel better.

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Realtruth

People are choosing their leaders based on emotions, rather than picking a leader that has ethics, good leadership qualities, and critical thinking skills.

I'll vote for a 3rd party for sure this time around.

You say that like there's some alternative being offered here ... who has ethics, leadership skills, and critical thinking.

Who would that be?

Anyone that has ethics, good leadership qualities, and critical thinking skills.


Take your pick write someone in if needed, but with the two turds, in the punch bowl, I'll not partake in the festive drink this time around, thank you.

So, who's left?

That's the question that I'm asking you. YOu're damning the American public for making a decison based on what you call emotion but is in fact mostly just basic reality. Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be President of the United States. Barring some ridiculously unlikely happening. If it's an emotional choice between the two, and I'd not say that it isn't ... where is the alternative you suggest???

Or is it merely idealized?

a reply to: Gryphon66

I haven't missed anything. You want Hillary Clinton to be held responsible somehow for insulting you last night and today, because someone somewhere has called you unfair names.

Makes that three times you missed my point.

Allow me to try this one more time:

Hillary Clinton said that half the people supporting Trump are deplorable, because they are bigoted in some way. That means there's a 50% chance that anyone you meet supporting Trump is a bigot and therefore deplorable. So when you meet someone that supports Trump, are they a bigot or not?

You answer that you don't know until you know them well enough to make a determination. That is an excellent and fair answer. But the truth is that, somewhere in the back of your mind, there is a little bit of doubt. Is this person a racist? A sexist? A homophobe? Those labels are regularly tossed around without cause in the world we find ourself in. So it becomes easy to make the leap from Trump supporter to bigot based on sketchy evidence, like the 'evidence' used in those anecdotal examples.

We have seen examples of people having their very livelihoods stripped from them because of this type of labelling. Paula Deen, Hulk Hogan, Dog the Bounty Hunter just to name a few. Perhaps these individuals deserved the label, or perhaps not. I make no judgement to that issue; I only point out the real and physical/financial destruction that can and has come from acceptance of a label.

The end result is that, in order to support Trump without fear of this destruction, one must do so quietly, without voicing their true feelings in the spirit of the 1st Amendment protections. Debate is stifled. Only one 'side' is heard. Anyone who stands for what they believe in risks ruin.

That in itself is bigotry. I'm sorry you have so much trouble understanding this.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Why are you belaboring it? We disagree. I've seen your point, responded to it, you don't agree, and we're done.

You're a mind-reader now? You know what's "in the back of my mind"? Jeez. You're right- I don't know you at all.

I don't have any trouble understanding what you're saying, I just disagree with you.

WIth your basis, your assumptions and your projections onto me.

I agree to disagree. I'd like to leave it there. Or, read it as "a win" for your so-called logic.

It means the same to me, either way.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Gryphon66

Ah, well, twice I have tried to make my point to you; twice you have missed it, preferring to instead become defensive. So be it.

I wish you well in your endeavors. I suspect otherwise, but I do wish you well.

TheRedneck

I haven't missed anything. You want Hillary Clinton to be held responsible somehow for insulting you last night and today, because someone somewhere has called you unfair names and you're choosing to take what she said personally because you support DJT.

I stand against anyone calling you unfair names, but I stand for speaking the truth for a change. That is all Clinton did, last night and today.

America has no place for racism, sexism, homophobia, religious intolerance, and ethnic hatred. Not any more.

It's tearing us apart.

"Wish me well"? Sure. I wish you well too.

(I'll avoid the sniping codicil.)

Pretty incredible that all the undesirable people are voting for Trump.

It s almost impossible !

Bad people voting for a good guy and good people voting for a bad one.

May we live in interesting times.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

That's all well and good ... and addresses absolutely squat about what Clinton actually said.

Did you read anything beyond what's been sliced and diced here? Did you read the actual quote that she actually said?

No one, including Hillary Clinton has said that all the undesirable people are voting for Trump.

Then again, why am I bothering?

Believe what you want; I've wasted enough time.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Belabor? You have continued to post your understanding of my points and I have continued to explain your error in understanding them.

But so be it. While I still don't believe you know what we disagree on, it is well within your prerogative to disagree with me.

TheRedneck

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