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Why is everyone you disagree with, labeled a Social Justice Warrior?

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posted on Sep, 9 2016 @ 09:06 PM
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I've never understood the negative connotations that go with either SJW or progressive. Seem like positive things to me. Someone calls you an SJW, just say, Thanks."




posted on Sep, 9 2016 @ 09:17 PM
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Why is everyone you disagree with, labeled a Social Justice Warrior?


Simple answer: Because 99% of the people on here are bandwagoners, followers. They see 1 person with 8 million posts and stars, latch onto them and follow along. I would be willing to bet that half the people here who post "SJW" had to first google it to find out what it meant



posted on Sep, 9 2016 @ 09:19 PM
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Good discussion! Thanks everyone, for the good thoughtful replies.

So, here's a question.

Can a Republican or Conservative be a Social Justice Warrior, when it's used in this new negative way. Like can you be an SJW if you are up in arms over Kolin Kapaernick( spelling)? Or if you are up in arms of the "war on Christmas"? Or if you are outraged at BLM because you think all lives matter and you rant about it, are you not also an SJW?



posted on Sep, 9 2016 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Or like dictating what bathroom people should use?




posted on Sep, 9 2016 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Why is everyone who disagrees with a SJW a racist?



posted on Sep, 9 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Depends on the motivation. For societal good or for me and mine. Of the ones you mentioned I would say only the Christmas one qualifies. Let people celebrate as they will.



posted on Sep, 9 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: amazing

We happen to have a few resident anti-SJWs who are SJWs themselves on this site.

You can tell them by their aptitude to immediately do exactly what this thread title indicates they do.

Anything with any indication of liberalism beckons their right to claim that the sky is falling.

But they think they're tough because they aren't complaining about the patriarchy like their red-headed clone whose approach they claim to hate.



posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 03:10 AM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I didnt invent this stuff man. It is what it is. SJW has come to mean the irrational extremists who obsess over all that Identity Politics stuff.

You just need to pick a new name to separate yourself from them, if you aren't one of them.

My immediate play on words was "social INjustice warrior". Of course I was trying to 'poke them in the eye' with it. DO what you decide you need.


Can't do it bro. I am an actual real Social Justice Warrior in the vein of Susan B Anthony or MLK or Gandhi or anyone of millions of real activists throughout history that have made real, meaningful lasting change. Just because the gamergaters hi jacked the phrase doesn't mean I'll change my self descriptor nor should I. I'll just keep calling people out on it.


Ok , being a "true" SJW and naming names to boot , what have you done in the likeness of what the great people mentioned have done ?



posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 05:20 AM
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a reply to: amazing

Social Justice Advocate does NOT equal Social Justice Warrior.



posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 05:25 AM
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a reply to: amazing

SJWs have a terrible connotation as inciting/threatening violence for their "cause". All the ones that I have encountered over SM have been bat# crazy and have a very skewered view that they are right and everyone else is Hitler.



posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ketsuko



Uhhhhhhhh. . . . . . . it's a book.


I know, and they're SJWs which is the point of the post. They're looking to be offended by things they shouldn't be. If they want to make Sirius Black gay in their little personal worlds, they can, but now they're outraged because Rowling won't give it official canon sanction. Apparently, they feel it discriminatory or something or that's what they are telling themselves.

What it really is a sign of is that they're used to being able to complain about things until they get their way.



posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I've said it often enough, but too many embrace an "authoritarian" stance anymore.

They not only infringe upon the rights of others, they do so openly and try to justify it.



posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: amazing
Good discussion! Thanks everyone, for the good thoughtful replies.

So, here's a question.

Can a Republican or Conservative be a Social Justice Warrior, when it's used in this new negative way. Like can you be an SJW if you are up in arms over Kolin Kapaernick( spelling)? Or if you are up in arms of the "war on Christmas"? Or if you are outraged at BLM because you think all lives matter and you rant about it, are you not also an SJW?


Another thing you need to consider is the different definitions of justice that people carry around. Thomas Sowell wrote a book about it - The Quest for Cosmic Justice. I highly recommend it. It spends a lot of time digging into the roots of difference between the left and right when it comes to different ideas like the concepts of justice and equality and what they should really look like in society.

Justice to someone who is more right leaning means that you write a law. I think I referenced the law of the speed limit being 55mph, and once that law exists, it exists that way for everyone, regardless of race, gender, or social station. And when you break the law, the penalties for it likewise apply the same.

Justice to someone who is more left leaning is more concerned with equal outcome. To that end, while the law might say the speed limit is 55mph and it might be written with a penalty. A social justice advocate would argue that it isn't fair to apply the full measure of the penalty to poor people or that even though it has been shown that a certain group of immigrants (let's say Germans who are used to the Autobahn) consistently break the limit, it would be unfair to hold them accountable because that would be racist. So they constantly argue that the law is unfair, but only for some or that the penalty should be higher or lower to make things more "fair" for certain groups.

With social justice, the law very seldom is actually a law, but more of a guideline to be considered. So when you step afoul of the law in a social justice society, you have no sure set of laws you can count on only whim. It creates chaos.

The goal is to create equality of outcome for all. It sounds like a worthy goal until you consider that by our own personal choices, it is also a pipe dream. It would take a dictatorship in order to force us all into completely equal boxes.



posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Are you 13 years old? This isn't reddit.



posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I didnt invent this stuff man. It is what it is. SJW has come to mean the irrational extremists who obsess over all that Identity Politics stuff.

You just need to pick a new name to separate yourself from them, if you aren't one of them.

My immediate play on words was "social INjustice warrior". Of course I was trying to 'poke them in the eye' with it. DO what you decide you need.


Can't do it bro. I am an actual real Social Justice Warrior in the vein of Susan B Anthony or MLK or Gandhi or anyone of millions of real activists throughout history that have made real, meaningful lasting change. Just because the gamergaters hi jacked the phrase doesn't mean I'll change my self descriptor nor should I. I'll just keep calling people out on it.


Ok , being a "true" SJW and naming names to boot , what have you done in the likeness of what the great people mentioned have done ?


Well nothing that great. I fight bullying everyday though, I impact lives directly through my job and that could be helping someone become mentally stronger or overcome depression or rise up out of a victim mentality or giving abused women some real self esteem for maybe the first time in their lives. I've fought to get new school buildings built. I'm actually on the board of directors of a non profit that fills gaps in a local community--that could be supplementing food drives or working with high school drop outs or finding rides for the disabled. I don't do much but I do my part. As should everyone.



posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
This is a short topic and hopefully MODS keep it. It's a discussion starter.

I've noticed on many other threads...and most recently the Gary Johnson SJW.. thread. That anyone that disagrees with you or says something you don't like or takes a stand for something...it could be anything, why is that person labeled as a Social Justice Warrior or SJW? It might even be just one word, one sentence, one wrong, or one thing that they're trying to change.

Examples...

Native Americans standing up against the pipeline...you think they're all Social Justice Warriors.
Gary Johnson not liking the Term "Illegal Aliens"...you think he's a social Justice warrior.
A black woman protesting her son being shot by police...you think she's a social Justice Warrior.
That Lesbian woman...she's a social Justice warrior.
That father of the disabled child, he's a social justice warrior.

And you guys don't use the term as it implies.. like someone who really fights for social Justice, like Ghandi or MLK or mother theresa or the Historical Jesus...All of them were social justice warriors or people who fought to change the social norm to benefit everyone, or themselves or some subset that was being treated unfairly.

I don't think Gary Johnson is Social Justice Warrior. I don't see him standing up for anything...he's trying to get elected and doesn't like that term.

Why don't you just say you don't like Gary Johnson because he doesn't like the phrase "Illegal Alien"?

Remember that Social Justice Warrior, as an insult, was first used by the 12 year old prepubescent boys at gamergate because they liked to treat woman unfairly for some reason.

SJW is a terrible term to use for an insult.

MLK, Mother Theresa...Susan B Anthony...and all of the real social justice warriors would be and probaby are turning over in their graves every time they here that term bandied about.

I am a real social justice warrior...whether that means teaching kids how to handle bullying, supporting new schools in rural communities, marching for change, donating my time and expertise for free to help abused woman etc. Don't use this term as an insult. It's insulting to the rest of us who really do fight for social change.



YES! You go Glen Coco!

-Alee



posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Justice to someone who is more left leaning is more concerned with equal outcome. To that end, while the law might say the speed limit is 55mph and it might be written with a penalty. A social justice advocate would argue that it isn't fair to apply the full measure of the penalty to poor people or that even though it has been shown that a certain group of immigrants (let's say Germans who are used to the Autobahn) consistently break the limit, it would be unfair to hold them accountable because that would be racist. So they constantly argue that the law is unfair, but only for some or that the penalty should be higher or lower to make things more "fair" for certain groups.


So bake the damn cake or you're a liberal, right?

Just take down the Christmas tree?

I'm sorry but your analogy is nonsense.
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posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 09:53 PM
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Nope. Those were prime metaphors for how absurd half the stuff true SJW's obsess about truly tend to be.
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posted on Sep, 11 2016 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: DeadFoot

Nope. Those were prime metaphors for how absurd half the stuff true SJW's obsess about truly tend to be.


I'm not entirely saying they aren't true, but that it's not a right vs. left thing. The right doesn't have the high ground on writing laws and abiding by them.

Kim Davis comes to mind.
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posted on Sep, 12 2016 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Social Justice Warrior is a pejorative term that is associated with people who identify with PC politics (feminists, socialists, all of Tumblr, etc).

It was created as a way to mock the rising authoritarianism inherent in modern leftist philosophies. Basically, a sjw is the lefts equivalent of a nazi.



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