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Donald Trump: The Real Manchurian Candidate?

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posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

Being a sympathizer and perpetuating the propaganda against them which could result in two different things.

Logical fallacy I see often on here. If you don't bash them you love them.


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"But last time I checked their aren't Russian troops on my border so them reacting to aggression is understandable.

What part of the Russians casually floating nuking the western part of the United States into oblivion is understandable? That's sympathizing, whether you like it or not.
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posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

It's rhetoric, you think we don't talk about the same thing? They just had a story about it.



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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UN mraps in virginia
www.intellihub.com...


Mile long convoy of mraps in south carolina
www.... silverdoctors.com/headlines/world-news/why-was-a-mile-long-convoy-of-u-n-vehicles-travelling-north-through-south-carolina/



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

It's rhetoric, you think we don't talk about the same thing? They just had a story about it.


Do you not know what sympathizing means?

sympathize [sim-puh-thahyz] (verb)
1. to be in sympathy or agreement of feeling; share in a feeling (often followed by with).
2. to feel a compassionate sympathy, as for suffering or trouble (often followed by with).
3. to express sympathy or condole (often followed by with).
4. to be in approving accord, as with a person or cause:
to sympathize with a person's aims.
5. to agree, correspond, or accord.
www.dictionary.com...

For example...

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"you think we don't talk about the same thing?

^---- this is also sympathizing



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: nobunaga

2nd link you posted isn't working

here



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

I guess I am then, mainly out of self preservation. And we have been the aggressor moving NATO borders after saying we wouldn't in the treaty talks.



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

At least you are man enough to admit it.


The United States poses no threat to Russia. It's a defense shield.



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

So if they put tens of thousands of troops on our border with Mexico you would see that as defensive posturing?



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

If Mexico invaded Texas (aka the Ukraine), yes.
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posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

I never really paid Vladimir Putin too much attention until recently, but I've been watching a lot of the videos of him speaking and he says some very unsettling things about our government.

He says we're being played (he's 100% right about that btw), that the American people are being lied to and taken for fools by our own government (also true), and that he fears for our future if our government continues to provoke conflict.

He didn't say it like a threat, either. Just plainly stating facts. And I believe he is genuine in his concern; there is no deception or duplicity that I can read from him...and trust me, I look hard for it.

But the most disturbing thing he said was that he has no issues with the American public. He thinks we're great people. He said the American people are not enemies of Russia. He said our government is the enemy of Russia...and he said it is our enemy too. And I agree with him.

Donald Trump is a performer playing a role, period. For that matter, so is Hillary...but that's another story altogether. Trump had one job: create relentless mayhem to polarize the election, escalate the widening racial divide, and blur every line in between. Which he has done famously. However, it is getting to be time for the finale.

I've been wondering how They were going to get rid of him. This looks like it might be it. They want a war with Russia. That is obvious. The signs have been there for a while, and people are only just now getting the memo, because all of the distractions that have been placed, bombarding us with them via the media left and right with barely a pause, have been keeping folks really busy.

So I've been thinking a lot of evidence is going to surface suddenly that Trump is a Russian plant...because they're going to have to admit that he isn't genuine, otherwise...far too many people are starting to smell a rat, and they need to get rid of him. So they deflect, "prove" Trump is a Russian sympathizer, that he deliberately sabotaged the election to give Russia an advantage.

And just look at what we've got here, boys and girls...Trump and Putin, apparent buddies. Convenient and timely.

So, Trump is an American plant who is being painted as a Russian plant to get him out of the picture, without anyone having to admit that he was actually put in the race by our own government...and they now have a plausible reason to start sh!t with Russia.

How outraged do you think the American public would be if it was announced that Donald Trump has been scheming with Putin, with enough compelling evidence that it would stick? All they have to do is prove that Russia, along with Trump, tried to sabotage the election. People will be clamoring for retaliation....and They will have Their war.

I'm looking for hard evidence to be presented very soon that implicates both Putin and Trump and that scumbag hacker in a plot to get that email data and deliberately alter it to make Hillary look like she's a criminal. Then, Russia, Trump, and his cronies are public enemy number one, and Hillary is vindicated. And of course...They get a war.

Trump and Putin might very well have been friends at some point...but not anymore. Now, that affiliation is going to be used against him...and he knows it. So he's not going to make much of a public fuss about it; I think he'll just quietly watch and wait, because he already knows how this is going to unfold. He's already said as much...he knows our government wants a war. So he's likely not going to react just yet. Kinda like somebody else we know is doing, but for very different reasons.

People are constantly making snarky remarks about Hillary's health, mental status, lack of public appearances, her seemingly vague answers about the emails, etc., mocking her and calling her weak. Well...she wants them to think that about her. That way, when she finally takes her mask off, no one will ever see it coming.

Putin is a good guy. I believe that. He is also extremely intelligent and cunning. I don't think he will make a move unless he is directly attacked.

If it happens before the election, the American public will not be OK with just arbitrarily poking Russia with a stick, no matter how bad They make Putin look.

I think things will not truly escalate until Hillary is safely ensconced in the Oval Office. Once it's a done deal, They will do whatever it is They are planning, and there will be nothing anyone can do to stop it.



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

See what your getting at but that is not a valid analogy. Firstly flip that, secondly America is rather young, so our claims to ethnic Americans wouldn't go as far.

And even when the UN said no to Iraq we went and they didn't put soldiers on our border. It's because we want the rules for everyone else but not us. I am a patriot through and through, love my country and I'm actually a proud Texan as well. But I'd rather project our ideas without guns and missiles. People tend to listen when youre a good neighbor. And our taxes could go to something more productive than profiting corporations.



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

See what your getting at but that is not a valid analogy....

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" So if they put tens of thousands of troops on our border with Mexico you would see that as defensive posturing?

FYI it was your analogy, I just answered the question.

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posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

My point is we wouldn't see that as defensive posturing. Any way you play with it in your head you know what it is. And how will people take us seriously when we cant understand or admit when we are wrong. Other countries in the past with long periods of behavior like ares were met with reaction.


Winning an arguement in the world the right way carries more merit than "who's gonna stop us, well do what we want"
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posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

My point is we wouldn't see that as defensive posturing.


If Texas invaded Mexico and Mexico built up forces to put at the border, by definition it would be defensive.

defense (/dəˈfens,ˈdēˌfens/) (noun)
1. resistance against attack; protection
www.dictionary.com...

Words have real tangible meanings. They can't just be discarded as you see fit.



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

How would Russian troops there be defensive? There are tens of thousands of US and NATO troops on Russia's border. That is in no way provocative in your mind?

So let me ask another question, what makes Russia a threat? That they went into Crimea? So what are we viewed as? We pursue war with countries, some that never even attacked us, Iraq. We also interfere with elections, sometimes with our allies. So by that logic I'm sure Russia and others see us as a threat and the aggressor.

“This could have significant foreign policy consequences,” he said in another tweet. “Particularly if any of those operations targeted U.S. allies” or their elections.

Washington Post

Snowdens response concerning the recent NSA hack. While not a smoking gun I think we can all agree we go after our interests several different ways, coup masters. I don't like our role in the world right now, and I say it out of love for my country.



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

How would Russian troops there be defensive? ... So let me ask another question, what makes Russia a threat?


Good question, Russia looks like they are aggressors not defenders. Russia unabashedly invaded Georgia in 2008 and quickly followed it with the Ukraine attack in 2014. You have already mentioned Russia annexed Crimea in the Ukrainian territory, so I guess I don't need to add that. Whatever you think of the Iraq war, we didn't annex the region and we only attacked after having suffered one most devastating terrorist attacks in US history. The rest of your post is just saying because we engage in political spy-games (like every country does) that this somehow justifies an all out public attack by the Russians on the United States election system. None of this sounds particularly patriotic, and out of a love of country.



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

While I understand your logic on this, I just disagree. You are correct we didn't annex, but we are a little more creative how to fulfill our motives. And again I agree with you on Iraq and during that time I was enraged and for it. In hindsight however I see the more sinister agenda.

Also I understand people don't like to hear fellow citizens saying negative things about their country, but my country like me, can only better when we recognize the things we do wrong. I think alot of times our actions are wrong and often corporate motivated.



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

Wait, who ordered all "TPW p4-15nb" laptops to be destroyed? "


This is all I could find about it
www.portablewarehouse.com...

The rumor is it has a special math coprocessor for crypto.

There has been a long standing question why AES-128 isn't accepted as a Type-1 cipher (ie. not allowed to secure top secret documents or communications) while 64-bit secure Skipjack with its 80-bit keys and a 16-bit NSA backdoor is (along with AES-192 and AES-256]).

Since brute-force of a single AES-128 key would take a thousand years on a quadrillion of 10 GHz microchips, you gotta wonder, what is wrong with AES-128?

I think the TPW P4-15NB math coprocessor might hold the answer.

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posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

These are some serious allegations. I am a little shocked the Donald Trump Jr. quote is real.

“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
www.washingtonpost.com...



posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

" What if Trump has some unpaid debt in Russia? "


What If your whole reasoning here is Delusional ?



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