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Without the state you are nothing

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posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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Someone from another culture asked me;;" If i work harder than anyone else, dont you think im privileged to a higher paycheck? " I never questioned hardwork, most people from another culture think that my marxist nordic socialistic lutheran atheist humanity culture is a fantasy. I asked him a simple question;" Why do you work harder than everyone else ? " Where i live you put in your hours of work, nothing more, nothing less.. State offers you rights within the boundaries your passport tells which society you belong to..

And like i said before i never question hard work, but hard work within the perimeters of society means you are using the society or someone is using you.. Machiavelli has one of the best books about it called "The prince".

In the western culture, working hard really has zero justification and i bet not a single one of those proclaimning;" I work hard " has seen a farmer in a 3rd world country, or factory worker in the east. Working hard is something people use as an allegory for;;" im more privileged to my lifestyle " which they cant afford.

So put in your hours of work and when the state wants their share, understand to most basic thing, without the state you would have nothing.




posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:15 PM
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Well, the truest form of Utopian society was tried in America when it first started and failed miserably. This is because many people were working really hard, and others were sitting on their buts after doing just what was required. The extra produced by the hard workers was taken away and given to the slackers. To my knowledge no Utopian society has succeeded since then either. The fact is that for communities (from small towns to nations) need hard workers to thrive and when the hard workers are not appreciated, they stop working hard.



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang

You have it backwards. Without our hard work, the state would be nothing. Its just a shame that people don't realize that. Marxism is for losers.



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

So, the Nordic countries are a bunch of ? Who works hard?



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: tikbalang

So put in your hours of work and when the state wants their share, understand to most basic thing, without the state you would have nothing.


And when you allow yourself to be subjugated in that manner, you learn nothing, do nothing, accomplish nothing. You're just a cog in the wheel of the state. One wonders why you are even alive. You are a great Marxist, a dutiful citizen, and I'm sure your government loves you.



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: JDeLattre89

You make a claim about USA being an experiment of Utopian society which failed.. Now you give examples, not a 50s commercial.



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

No you actually get it very wrong.. Do you see the nordic being subjegated or highely educated? Peaceful or going to war?

Do you see the Nordics embracing, we can swap the words since marxism makes a bad tone for Americans and call it socialism..



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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Working hard doesn't make you rich.....there are plenty of people who work very hard indeed and are as poor as they come. Work to live not live to work



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang

My co-workers work hard, and so do I trying to supply sick people with the pharmaceuticals they need to stay alive. Every day our patience is pushed to the limit as we try to get around marxist (Obamacare/Medicare/Medicaid) road blocks that have driven the prices of drugs sky high (along with the FDA & DEA). So yeah, I would say I work hard to offset the damage caused by the State.

As far as I'm concerned, marxists constitute 51% of the scum of the Earth. The state can shove it sideways.
edit on 7-9-2016 by BELIEVERpriest because: typos



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang

Those "Nordic" countries are Capitalism.

Maybe even the true Capitalism.

True Socialism and Fabian Socialism are failures.




posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang




You make a claim about USA being an experiment of Utopian society which failed.. Now you give examples, not a 50s commercial.


Sure it was called the Plymouth Colony, which were Browns (later called Pilgrims) which came to America from England by way of the Netherlands.



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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And allowing the state to control everything is called Feudalism, making the people serfs (the next thing from being slaves themselves).



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

So you are actually stating, The majority of the western europe are scum? Nordic? Asia? Japan? Germany? England? Australia? And your culture is the only one who are not scum?

Wait, let me get this straight;

You think basic rights in society, which the majority of the world have implemented in their governed system is a bad thing?

Basic schoolcare
Basic healthcare

My passport in my hand gives me a privilege to go anywhere in the world, and even try to make my own living anywhere in the world, it even pays my studies abroad, but i have obligations to it. If i get sick, or f*** up, with my passport i never have to worry.



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I think you might be misplacing a business model and state regulations..



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang
No, I'm sure there are plenty of citizens within the various socialist countries who reject the notion of marxism and resent their governments. I said Marxists are scum, not Europeans or Asians or Australians.

Just remember that hard workers pay for your passport, educations and healthcare, and they will never rise above the boundaries dictated by the Marxist States, just so that you can disrespect their hard work.



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang

So, what specifically are your obligations?

Because if you are paying 2/3 of your earnings to the state for these privileges (which everyone may not want or need) you are nothing but sheeple. How is that fair when the person down the street who does nothing receives the same benefits which were paid for by you? Or are you that person down the street doing nothing but collecting government bennies?

In a free society, a person works to earn what they have and are typically more proud of that which they earned than someone in a marxist/socialist/fascist/communist society with all these wonders that the government gave them.

I know, I just made alot of Bernie/Stein supporters mad.



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: schuyler

No you actually get it very wrong.. Do you see the nordic being subjegated or highely educated? Peaceful or going to war?

Do you see the Nordics embracing, we can swap the words since marxism makes a bad tone for Americans and call it socialism..


I don't give a crap about Nordics. Little tiny countries with a few million inhabitants cannot be logically compared to large countries like the USA, Russia, or China. You are of little consequence in world affairs, little islands of pretentious people who think of themselves as better than everyone else, but have no responsibilities to speak of. You are cogs in a wheel of socialism with no individual thought, subjugated to a government that sees you as a source of revenue. You accomplish nothing in particular and are good little slaves to the state. Educated? What does that even mean to a slave of the state? You'll be coddled until death because your great State will take care of you, but I wonder why you even existed. When you place the State ahead of your own lives you lose your humanity entirely. It's a disgrace and is disgusting. George Orwell would be proud of you. All Hail Big Brother!



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

So, the Nordic countries are a bunch of ? Who works hard?




And what great discoveries and innovations has your country produced?

When you simply do what you must, no more, no less and never aspire to more, you also never tend to become greater than you were either.



Do you think some of the greatest innovative minds of any time in history quit chasing their ideas just because the clock struck five?



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Im gonna pretend you never made that quote.. Cause wow, you just clearified the primitive american mindset.. There is world outside of the american culture.. Golden age is over, over 50% of your nation is considered 3rd world, yet so blinded..
This is mostly how it will go down in the next 10 years, you become a socialist nation.. Or you will implode..



posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

Now an interesting topic, everything you declared as humanity, yet everything you said is the opposite and has nothing to do with humanity.. You defend simple ideals, from a primitive culture like the American, you are fine about being the little man as long as you think you have a free will..

Such a big nation, yet such a lost people-..



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