Charles Ortel Lobs the First of 40 Bombs at the Clinton Foundation

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: SentientCentenarian

Exhibit 15: Fundraising Operations in the Name of the Clinton Foundation Allegedly Providing Tsunami Relief Starting in January 2005

Exhibit 17: Unauthorized and Illegal Operation of Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund (“BCKF”)Starting in August 2005

Theres the TV ads for all those out there, plus the ones for Haiti 'relief'.

Just wait for a disaster, announce a relief fund and watch the cash roll in. "Give now and lives will be saved."

This makes my blood boil!! Average Americans who are falling behind financially still give generously to help others after disasters like Katrina, the Tsunami or Haitian earthquake. They willingly do without things in hopes of alleviating suffering only to find their hard earned money is going to crooked millionaire/billionaire politicians.

DESPICABLE.

I hope very soon there is nowhere these people can show their faces publicly in the United States without being booed and chased out of town. Tar and feathers would be a good start.

originally posted by: mobiusmale

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: mobiusmale

So ... it is Ortel's OPINION that the Foundation doesn't meet the criteria and his OPINION (put to the lie with facts) that there hasn't been an independent audit? That's just not what he stated.

A forensic audit? Are you saying that it is standard business procedure to conduct an annual forensic audit? Are you intentionally moving the goalposts?

Correct, it is Ortel's opinion (or the conclusion he has personally reached). Whether or not others...including you and I...reach the same conclusions will depend on the evidence yet to be presented, and our personal interpretations of same.

No, it is not standard business practice...that would be far too expensive and time consuming. It would only be warranted if/when there was some indication that something was amiss...which can sometimes be indicated by something that you come across in a normal audit (funds seeming to be missing for example), or as a result of a whistle blower's report, or arising from the findings of an independent investigator (like a journalist).

Assuming (for sake of argument) that 10-15% of what Ortel says is true on the face of it (from examination of the public records presented), then a full blown forensic audit, followed by an investigation by the IRS and the FBI would certainly be warranted.

So, let's see what we have ...

Ortel has an opinion (the basic claims of which fail when confronted by the facts) about the Clinton Foundation.

Your claim that there was no "forensic audit" done in an attempt to justify Ortel's claim that no audit was done is specious.

You just pulled an arbitrary number out of the air (10-15%) and want to pretend like that justifies elaborate State and Federal investigations MERELY BECAUSE the Republicans/right-wing in this country hate and despise everything with the name Clinton on it and are willing to spend MILLIONS of the public's funds on trying to get 'em?

Anyone can see from the tone and content of THE FIRST PAGE of this supposedly in-depth "analysis" that Mr. Ortel is factually mistaken on several key points.

No Attorney General at the State or Federal level would bother with this kind of garbage; they know lies and innuendo when they see it.

a reply to: SentientCentenarian

Exhibit 11: Submission of False and Materially Misleading Disclosures to Government Authorities Concerning 2003 and Prior Years

Exhibit 11.5: Unauthorized use of contract killers whose income was never taxed.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: SentientCentenarian

Exhibit 11: Submission of False and Materially Misleading Disclosures to Government Authorities Concerning 2003 and Prior Years

Exhibit 11.5: Unauthorized use of contract killers whose income was never taxed.

LOL........ Sadly, the clintons probably filed that expense under " entertainment ".

That charity that originally had the Clinton Foundation on a watch list and now gives it a stellar review was recently given 'favors' by the CF -

Charity Navigator awarded the Clinton Foundation four-stars based on an rating algorithm that scored the controversial non-profit with a 97.5 on financial issues and 93 on accountability and transparency. The new rating represented a boost for the foundation, as Charity Navigator had previously put it on its watch list due to concerns about its finances and transparency.

But the four-star rating had hardly been announced before the Associated Press reported that Charity Navigator was a member of the CGI from 2012 to 2014.

The CGI is one of the Clinton Foundation’s best-known programs, as it regularly convenes glittering gatherings of celebrities, government officials and philanthropic stars. The $20,000 CGI membership fee was waived for Charity Navigator, which reported it as an in-kind contribution, according to the AP. The news organization said Charity Navigator chairman Michael Thatcher claimed his group joined CGI “to mingle with world leaders and promote its ratings.”

Daily Caller

originally posted by: Meldionne1

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: SentientCentenarian

Exhibit 11: Submission of False and Materially Misleading Disclosures to Government Authorities Concerning 2003 and Prior Years

Exhibit 11.5: Unauthorized use of contract killers whose income was never taxed.

LOL........ Sadly, the clintons probably filed that expense under " entertainment ".

Nah - 'Office Supplies'

Ortel is a writer for the Washington Times, a talking head on Bloomberg, what else does he have to his credit?

He owns a company called Newport Value Partners LLC, which is supposedly an investment counseling firm?

This seems to be their one page generic website: Newport Value Partners

Current company status is "unknown" according to State of Delaware: link

State of New York has some interesting information on another similarly named company ... it's listed as "Foreign Limited Liability Company" and lists Murdock Capital Partners Corp as its business address on Madison Avenue. link

Ortel seems to be basically be a right-wing (Moonie Times) informal pundit/talking head who "specializes" in financial stories.

One of the biggest patrons of the guy's past stories is World Net Daily.

a reply to: SentientCentenarian

Yep, but that's not Charity Watch, an independent watchdog firm that gives the Clinton Foundation an "A" grade.

Clinton Foundation at Charity Watch

Lots of good documentation there about why they gave the "CF" as you call the high rating they do ...

Also, tipping your hand by referencing the Daily Caller?

I think the picture of this source becomes more clear all the time.

Who is Charles Ortell?

I'm supposed to believe him - - - because?

Oh ... and apparently Ortel's one previous claim to fame was suggesting that there were problems with GE back in 2008-9:

Charles Ortel, an independent analyst who has been urging investors to short GE since 2007, told me that that the company, as he put it, "is going to hit the wall." The reason? "It has too much debt and not enough tangible common equity." Tangible common equity - equity minus good will and other intangibles - is the once obscure, now critical barometer of a bank's capital.

Of course, others were saying similar things ... it's not as if Ortel was some sort of "wizard."

"GE Capital," wrote Nicholas P. Heymann and Matthew Kelley, two bearish analysts at Sterne Agee, "is now confronting the prospect that a downward trend in fundamental performance, fueled by weakening end markets and magnified by several liquidity constraints, could potentially lead to an extended period of steadily lower earnings, depleted loss provisions, lower credit ratings, rising borrowing costs" ... well, you get the picture. Heymann, who has followed GE for 27 years, issued his report on Tuesday morning - just two business days after GE cut its previously sacrosanct dividend by two-thirds.

New York Times March 7, 2009

Yeah ... why would we be listening to this guy again?

a reply to: Gryphon66

If he is such a nut, why have the Clinton's faked a pledge to
personally remove themselves from The Crime Foundation?

originally posted by: Annee
Who is Charles Ortell?

I'm supposed to believe him - - - because?

He predicted wide-scale civil unrest in 2012, tanking the economy again, and apparently the only solution was to buy gold ... as published in World Net Daily.

Link

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: Gryphon66

If he is such a nut, why have the Clinton's faked a pledge to
personally remove themselves from The Crime Foundation?

That's such a blatantly foolish example of false equivalency, I'm not sure why I'd dignify it with a response.

Easy answer: he released this "expose" today yesterday. When did the Clintons supposedly fake such a pledge?

originally posted by: Gryphon66


When did the Clintons supposedly fake such a pledge?

You missed the news?

Ethicists scoff at Clinton Transition plan

Shalala said the former president would also step away from “any relationship with any of these spinoffs, or these new partner organizations.”

Read more: www.politico.com...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Ooops ... didn't get far into Mr. Ortel's report before finding a considerable problem with his presentation ...

From page one of the letter:

No attempt has been made to verify the accuracy of underlying source material; however, every reasonable effort has been made to direct readers to public filings and other documents evaluated and mentioned in the First Foundation Report, the Second Foundation Report, and these Exhibits.

So, selected items from public filings have been imported into this report, couched in fairly dramatic language (at least in the introduction) and no effort has been made to verify the factual nature of the primary materials used?

"No attempt has been made to verify the accuracy of underlying source material" means, if I'm reading it correctly, that Ortel made no effort to verify that the Clinton Foundation's own source material was accurate, he took them at their word and then dug further in other places to see if things added up.

How indeed would a single individual without subpoena or arrest power 'verify the factual nature of the primary materials used?'

That's for the FBI or other law enforcement to take up.

Much of the responses so far on this thread are based on our individual political sides - let's wait and see how this pans out over the next several weeks as he releases his obviously detailed work.

There's SO much money involved, and we know that the CF already had to refile several years' worth of paperwork when irregularities were found; a Foundation associated with a former President (who is a known liar under oath, was referred for impeachment and disbarred), a Senator and Secretary of State and Presidential candidate should be run absolutely above board and with extremely tight legal and financial oversight, as to be well above possible reproach. The Clintons know better than anyone that they will be under scrutiny and should expect to be able to answer all questions to that effect, be able to show all the good they've done with the money and be able to account for every penny.

Would we be having these same concerns and questions about Jimmy Carter? Ron Paul? Other public servants who never seemed to be in it for the cash?

These are the same people who were 'dead broke' at the end of 8 years of a well paid job, public housing with free everything else (because they had legal bills up the whazoo due to Bill's zipper problem and subsequent lies) and now they own three (?) mansions and are worth a reported $250 million, depending on who you believe. Their speeches are boring and painful to listen to rather than soaring rhetoric, so the amount of cash they've amassed has to be for other reasons. Influence-buying of a present SoS and future President seems a likely place to start.

Let's just wait and see how this pans out, shall we, before we grab one sentence out of the entire report and jump on it without any further vetting or even understanding what exactly the sentence is referring to?

I hope Harry Markopolos gets involved - Ortel could use the backup:

Madoff fraud

Charity Watch:

Charitywatch.org | 107.170.51.197

IP Address:
107.170.51.197
ISP:
Digital Ocean

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Charity watch is hosted by the same company that hosts Platte River. Interesting coincidence.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee
Who is Charles Ortell?

I'm supposed to believe him - - - because?

He predicted wide-scale civil unrest in 2012, tanking the economy again, and apparently the only solution was to buy gold ... as published in World Net Daily.

Link

He's been listening to George Noory?

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

And Digital Ocean is located in lower Manhattan. Figures - I'm beginning to think of that place as Ground Zero (hmmm) for everything evil.

How much you wanna bet it all traces back to either the CIA or the NSA?* Makes putting in those splitters and copying everything so much easier.

*Or a company ultimately controlled by the Clintons?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: SentientCentenarian

Also, tipping your hand by referencing the Daily Caller?

I think the picture of this source becomes more clear all the time.

Maybe like all whistleblowers, he's limited in who will publish his stuff. There's far more from Ed Snowden over at the Intercept than there is on CBS...

I take ALL news and information sources with a grain of salt, and I'm not above reading something obviously sketchy to try to get a new tidbit to work with. They're often the most interesting and valuable.

Honestly, reading your posts I'm getting the impression of someone standing on a rooftop screeching with their hair on fire. Calm down, we'll see what happens over the next weeks and they'll be plenty of vetting from all sorts of sources. And then it will probably be promptly forgotten just like Trump's fake physician's letter, as if it never happened.

Enjoy the carnival ride, we're all just bozos on this bus.

a reply to: SentientCentenarian

I'm going to add this short 15 minute documentary "How the Clinton Foundation Ripped Off Haiti" to your great thread. I will allow discerning minds figure out how the Clinton Foundation, Haiti and "the massive deforestation of the country (of Haiti) to fuel the black market charcoal business" all ties in.



The above is worthy of a thread of its own since it *points* to one of the many dealings the Clinton's have with the energy sector on a global scale. Their corruption covers a large swath.