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You realize don't you that you are at odds with another who appears to be of your faith Rebekka? What does that say for understanding the scriptures?
Originally posted by TizaBut someone said, and I can't remember who -- Somehwereinbetween, was it you? -- who mentioned that how could Adam know when sundown was? Well, Somewhere..., it may not have been you, I simply can't remember.
However, to whoever it was, it wasn't necessary for Adam to simply guess when a day ended.
Your contention then is that it only rained after Noah? Okay, since the good book does not say otherwise, let me agree at this point. However, we have a problem, and it is this:
At that time and because of the canopy that was in the upper atmosphere, there was no rain. No rain at all. The earth was watered with a fine mist before the great flood of Noah.
Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
and God said, let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place and let the dry land appear
Really, and the proof of this is, the Greek olive skin? That to me is beautiful skin.
These people had beautiful skin, BTW, because of their atmosphere.
Originally posted by Yxboom
Jesus was and is perfect and, when He ran His earthly ministry, He did not forget anything.
Nay, nothing. That's why He only mentioned 9 out of the 10 commandments -- and that's why He did not tell us that we have to obey the Old Testament Sabbath.
Remember: the Old Testament requires that non-Sabbath keepers must be killed!!! I'm telling you --> this requirement is abolished!!!
John 11:26Do you believe this?
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Indeed, Jesus went on to fulfill the law and He did so perfectly, as no other mortal human being was able to do. We thank Him dearly for coming to this earth to do so.
We keep the moral law, as is described in the 9 commandments. We teach against murdering, stealing, bearing false witness, adultery, etc.
It doesn't say that he was talking to Abiathar at all. It says "in the days of" which is also another way of saying "in the lifetime of...." Also, Abiathar was a high priest.
Originally posted by Tiza
Read it again, there is no discrepancy here. "in the days of Abiathar..."
There is no apology for this since Abiathar was not the one David confronted.
Then came David to Nob to Ahimelech the priest: and Ahimelech was fraid at the meeting of David…
You two can battle it out between you. As long as you do and other Christians battle amongst themselves, it proves my theory that your faith is lacking the water with which to make it into cement.
Originally posted by Tiza
I don't understand how you can say that. Rebekka follows Judaism, I do believe. I am a Yahwehist, also trust in Yahushua the messiah and know how he preexisted as in the OT. I would say we're a lot different.
Really now? And you ignore that water lies underneath the earth according to scripture as I have shown, why? Please do not attempt diversion with me. I want to know how you explain water-heaven-earth, where earth was the water beneath the heaven.
In Genesis in the creation week, there was a mist that came up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. (Gen. 2:4-6.) Notice that when you read this, it came up from the earth. BTW, there was a canopy above the earth surrounding it. It created a hot-house effect.
About Adam, I have to go by the word meaning. You have to do a study on what he was made from, the adamah, which means from soil (from its general redness).
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
You realize don't you that you are at odds with another who appears to be of your faith Rebekka?
From where I sit it is more like you invoking selective reasoning to discard the falsehoods from the philosophy just so you can embrace the philosophy as fact. Either believe it all or believe none. Jesus is supposed to be God, perfect in every way, including his recall of the scriptures. He got it wrong! He incorrectly referenced the wrong high priest and the logic then dictates that those he spoke to were Jews who would have known this. They would not have allowed that to go unchallenged, and had they said, Look Jesus you don't know what you are talking about because the priest was not Abiathar. His only recourse would have been to dismiss them as heathen or accept his error and therefore severely diminish his point.
Originally posted by TizaSomewhereinbetween,
You are superimposing your faulty logic and personal interpretation. This reminds me of the verse about straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel, which both are unclean. You're missing the whole importance of the teaching that Yahushua is giving.
Do not jump to conclusions, I understand quite well, and Abiathar was not the priest in the synagogue: 1 Sam 21:2 "And David said unto Ahimelech the priest...."
Another point, you do not understand the priesthood. Even many times there was more than one high priest. There were coadjutors. And lots of times when a priest died, he still held his title of high priest.
That is correct; "The Adam." This has been taken to mean that it was a singular person, a man and Adam was his name. Where in fact Gen1:27 specifically states God created male and female, and where just out of the blue in Gen. 2:19, "the man" is suddenly called Adam.
About ha-adam. Adam is not only the personal name of our first parent, the man, Adam, it's also the generic name of mankind, or people-kind, however you wish to say it. ha-adam means "the adam."
When one can move past the mythology behind a book written by priests surreptitiously invoking the name of their God to explain every good, bad or indifferent thing that happened to them, and then claiming their God to be the one, the only, and instead understand the nuances of the history come to us steadily from underneath the dirt, then you will stop believing in a messiah, stop feeling that you were born guilty and discard all of the my god is better than your god garbage; do away with the need to be told what you must believe, and find the instilled belief placed within your very soul.
What is hard to understand is that if no messiah, then no one has eternal life because no one will receive the inheritance, Jews included as well as everyone else.
Originally posted by Riwka
According to Jewish sources, the Massiach will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. The Massiach must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24).
According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father - and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David
By the time Jesus lived and died, Jewish messianic expectations were really quite clear. The Massiach our people expected would do four things, also on your sheet:
1. End the Roman oppression of the Jews
2. Restore a descendant of King David over a reunited Land of Israel
3. Bring about the miraculous return of the scattered exiles to the Land of Israel
4. Inaugurate an endless era of peace and harmony in the world
Put quite simply, Jesus did none of these things.
Therefore, he cannot be the Jewish Massiach.
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetweenSo now we have, water and underneath that, heaven and underneath that water that supposedly had land within it, which is now our planet, so that the layers are: water; heaven; earth. In other words, there is nothing at the underside of earth. Now what do you see when you look above? The heavens. And below? The earth. Transfer yourself to the opposite side of the globe and you see exactly the same thing. Therefore you and I know, that the water at the bottom of his tier was not in fact the bottom of his tier, the heavens are still there. Now place yourself in the days of the ancestors who had no clue about the earth and it's spherical shape. To them, the layers were water, heaven, and earth with the water moved out of the way, and that was it, for no matter how they looked down, they saw earth, not heaven.
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
Let us cut to the chase relative to your questions. What exactly are you trying to get across?
Originally posted by shmick25
If the day of worship is NOT that important (as a lot of people on here belive), why does the RCC not change the day to a Saturday? How hard could it be? I think you will find that the day is VERY important and both have two very different meanings associated with them.