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posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 06:54 PM
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Now you are just playing games, but I will break it down for you one more time.

Going against any of the ten commandments is a sin.

The penalty for sin is death.

Christ paid the penalty for us. He led a sinless life thus fulfilling the law and making him a suitable (unblemished) sacrifice.

The new covenant does not free us from God's law. If it did Christ's sacrifice would have been in vain.

At the time the death penalty you referred to (Exodus 31:14) was imposed God was acting as his peoples king and executions were done under his authority alone. That kingdom later rejected him and asked for a human king thereby losing the authority to impose the death penalty.


Note: I never said anything about who would qualify to enter God's kingdom. Fortunately that is not up to me as I am a sinner who is so far from being perfect it defies description.




posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 10:41 PM
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Something tells me to give this issue a rest, so I'll have to chew on it and return later.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 10:47 PM
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sntx...those are your belief...it doesn't make it true. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true....none of it is provable...damn, I've typed that so much lately my fingers just do it naturally...LOL



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by sntx
Going against any of the ten commandments is a sin.

The penalty for sin is death.


Just to throw a wrench into your comments, sntx...Sorry, can't help myself.

Jesus mentions the commandments extensivly through all 4 gospels. Yet there is one commandment he totally niglects and only says it is a shadow of what has come. Do you know the commandment?



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 11:35 PM
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sntx,

How do you keep the Sabbath day, per the scriptures?



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by sntx
At the time the death penalty you referred to (Exodus 31:14) was imposed God was acting as his peoples king and executions were done under his authority alone. That kingdom later rejected him and asked for a human king thereby losing the authority to impose the death penalty.
Interesting statements. Allow me to isolate them:

1) That kingdom later rejected him

Where him can only be taken to mean God. Thereby your statemnet is that the Jews rejected God. I am not familiar with this rabbinic/high-preiestly/kingly judgement, would you be so kind as to provide the verse(s)? Thank you.

2) and asked for a human king thereby losing the authority to impose the death penalty.

I am not familar with that rabbinic/high-priestly/kingly judgement either. Please also provide the relevant verse(s). Thank you.



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV
sntx...those are your belief...it doesn't make it true. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true....none of it is provable...damn, I've typed that so much lately my fingers just do it naturally...LOL
I know how that is, Isaiah 43:11 seems engraved on my forehead, tongue and finger tips. All I need now is to be able to point at the screen and watch the words materialize.

[edit on 1/25/05 by SomewhereinBetween]



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by junglejake

Just to throw a wrench into your comments, sntx...Sorry, can't help myself.

Jesus mentions the commandments extensivly through all 4 gospels. Yet there is one commandment he totally niglects and only says it is a shadow of what has come. Do you know the commandment?


So, now the 4th commandment is wiped out because there is no mention of Jesus quoting it in the 4 gospels? The fact that he quoted OT scripture often only strengthens and magnifies the laws validity.

I assume you are referring to Colossians 2 which in no way teaches against any of God's laws. Reading such a teaching into it requires a twisting of meaning that ironically is one of the things it is warning against. The passage is warning against falling into the traditions and laws of man that directly oppose the commandments.


And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.


For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.


As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:


Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.


Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.


For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:


Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.


And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;


Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,


And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.


Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,


(Touch not; taste not; handle not;


Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?


Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Colossians 2:4-23




Steve



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
Interesting statements. Allow me to isolate them:

1) That kingdom later rejected him

Where him can only be taken to mean God. Thereby your statemnet is that the Jews rejected God. I am not familiar with this rabbinic/high-preiestly/kingly judgement, would you be so kind as to provide the verse(s)? Thank you.

2) and asked for a human king thereby losing the authority to impose the death penalty.

I am not familar with that rabbinic/high-priestly/kingly judgement either. Please also provide the relevant verse(s). Thank you.



Acts 7
Exodus 24:7
I Sam. 8:4-7
1 Corinthians 10
I Sam. 13:13-14
I Chron. 29:23



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posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 11:46 AM
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sntx,

You have not addressed my question.
    How do you keep the Sabbath day, per the scriptures?



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Yxboom
How do you keep the Sabbath day, per the scriptures?

A lot of people I know do so by drinking beer, eating chips and watching football.........
on all three of them....



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Yxboom
sntx,

You have not addressed my question.
    How do you keep the Sabbath day, per the scriptures?



I keep the Sabbath by setting it apart from the other days by ceasing in the activities that maintain my physical being in order to concentrate on my spiritual being. I look at it as a day to gather together in fellowship with others who are led by the Holy Spirit. Most of the things I do on the Sabbath are things that I do every day. I worship God in song and in prayer. I read and meditate on scripture. I take my family to the zoo or to the park. I think a lot about God's plan of salvation and the future Glory of his kingdom on Earth because the Sabbath day of rest represents the peace and joy that will be established at the time God's kingdom is established.


Steve



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 12:22 PM
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Posted by sntx
Snip...
    Posted by Yxboom
    How do you keep the Sabbath day, per the scriptures?
I keep the Sabbath by setting it apart from the other days by ceasing in the activities that maintain my physical being in order to concentrate on my spiritual being. I look at it as a day to gather together in fellowship with others who are led by the Holy Spirit. Most of the things I do on the Sabbath are things that I do every day. I worship God in song and in prayer. I read and meditate on scripture. I take my family to the zoo or to the park. I think a lot about God's plan of salvation and the future Glory of his kingdom on Earth because the Sabbath day of rest represents the peace and joy that will be established at the time God's kingdom is established.


Yes, I understand that that is how you keep the Sabbath day. But I want to know how to keep the Sabbath day, per the scriptures.



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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Addressing only what the OT has to say, as I am not interested in Paul.


Originally posted by sntx Exodus 24:7

A very good first reference to show that the children of Israel agreed to abide by God’s laws.

Where you then present I Sam. 8:4-7 as a rejection of God. This however is not so, despite Samuel feeling pity for himself and invoking that in God’s name. They told Samuel he was old, and wanted a king to judge them. This is no different to what Samuel himself did as evidenced by 7:15 And Samuel judged Israel of the days of his life. As much as Samuel argues after the detriment of their kings, the authors cannot have it both ways where God in 9:16 acknowledges the cry of his people for a king have come to him. So it is either that God was jealous and had a change of heart, or that Samuel was using propaganda tactics, for as you can see, they chose Saul a very religious man. Save for the title there is no difference between another man judging them and Samuel judging them, unless you wish to confer title of God on Samuel.

I won’t bother to address the rest since as they all relate and it appears you wish to suggest that God is fickle or forgetful. The answer to all then is reflected in the verses following. The Israelites asked for nothing that he did not promise them ages ago when he said to Abraham: And I will make nations of thee and kings shall come out of thee. and confirmed this to take place later: De.17:14:15 When thou art come unto the the land which the Lord thy God hath given thee, and shall possess it, and thou shalt dwell therin, and shalt say, I will set a king over me…Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose:…



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Yxboom
Yes, I understand that that is how you keep the Sabbath day. But I want to know how to keep the Sabbath day, per the scriptures.



I am not going to play games. I keep the Sabbath as I described as I am led by the Spirit and per the scriptures.



Steve



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 01:47 PM
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...those are your belief...it doesn't make it true. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true....none of it is provable



Lady V,
I know you're talking to Steve, but I wish to make a statement about the above. Since Steve is studying the Scriptures, I can just about say that he doesn't believe the truth came from inside himself. Actually, he probably knows that the truth comes from the word of Yahweh.

Like Paul says in Romans, Ro 3:4 ...Eloah forbid: yea, let eloahim be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

And in Jeremiah, it states, Jer 17:9 The heart (Heb. leb=mental heart; mind) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

So since every man (meaning all human beings) is a liar and no man is good (only father Yahweh is good) and his mental heart; mind, is deceitful above all things, the truth must come from outside of us and then be put inside of us from somewhere.

As many who seriously study the Scriptures know and are aware, Yahweh's truth is the only truth. This truth must be incorporated inside ourselves. Also, Lady V, Steve really can't prove anything to you. He can point something out to you. If you are serious about finding out, then you'll prove it to yourself. It's like the Bereans when they listening to Paul talk about truth. They searched the Scriptures daily to prove the things that Paul was saying was true. Paul considered them noble for doing this.

Tiza



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 01:47 PM
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...those are your belief...it doesn't make it true. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true....none of it is provable



Lady V,
I know you're talking to Steve, but I wish to make a statement about the above. Since Steve is studying the Scriptures, I can just about say that he doesn't believe the truth came from inside himself. Actually, he probably knows that the truth comes from the word of Yahweh.

Like Paul says in Romans, Ro 3:4 ...Eloah forbid: yea, let eloahim be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

And in Jeremiah, it states, Jer 17:9 The heart (Heb. leb=mental heart; mind) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

So since every man (meaning all human beings) is a liar and no man is good (only father Yahweh is good) and his mental heart; mind, is deceitful above all things, the truth must come from outside of us and then be put inside of us from somewhere.

As many who seriously study the Scriptures know and are aware, Yahweh's truth is the only truth. This truth must be incorporated inside ourselves. Also, Lady V, Steve really can't prove anything to you. He can point something out to you. If you are serious about finding out, then you'll prove it to yourself. It's like the Bereans when they listening to Paul talk about truth. They searched the Scriptures daily to prove the things that Paul was saying was true. Paul considered them noble for doing this.

Tiza



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by Tiza

Lady V,



As many who seriously study the Scriptures know and are aware, Yahweh's truth is the only truth. This truth must be incorporated inside ourselves.

Nope...this is where the problem is here...I will repeat what I wrote on another thread to avoid havinr to re type it all'...

this is not a Christian site..... it's a conspiracy board and I get tired of being "told" that something that is non provable is absolute fact! Everyone has a every right to believe whatever they want to, but when it come to a belief system and faith...it's all right there in the words themselves....it can not be proven and I'm sick of people making statements to me as if they are fact, as if they are the end all absolute truth of the universe. That would be fine if this were a religious board but it's not.....if I make a statement that the bible has been changed...it can be proven, all anyone has to do it take the initiative to research and learn the truth and yet many Christians here, not all, seem to think that to learn the truth about the history of their own faith is a sin...I have stated many times that to learn the true history of the bible does not mean they no longer believe...just that they learn somthing

I get along just fine with any religion and anyone as long as they are not abusers of children or animals....but I get annoyed being told something is absolute and then being told as proof because "it's in the bible", because as stated above, they won't learn the provable truth for themselves that the bible has been changed.....pretty simple there hu?

Because you believe it with all your heart doesn't mean it is true and doesn't make it the only truth..... that is the truth!



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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Hello Board,
I just posted and got the Web site not responding message. So it appeared that my post did not take. Also, I did not quote that whole thing. Now I'm getting concerned. I only quoted the top part of took out most of it. Something is going wrong.

I even copied and pasted my post to an e-mail to myself and it proves that I didn't quote hardly anything. After I did that since I couldn't get back into this Web site, I ran computer diagnostics, ran a spy sweeper scan and nothing was wrong.

What could be the problem?

Tiza



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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LadyV, yes you have the right to believe what ever you wish to believe.
God gave you that choice,.............


Keeping the Sabbath is simple..........do no WORK. That is toil....labor related to your job.

The "Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath". JC.......




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