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Einstein Proven Wrong, Yet Again

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posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
Source local oscillator freq can only go up, if time dilates.
You're abusing the dictionary because time dilation according to the way it's defined and the way everybody else uses it means the exact opposite of what you say it means. In other words, when time dilates, the frequency goes down, by definition, not up as you claim.




posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: Nochzwei

You really need me to explain this to you?

GPS,
Satellites,
ISS,
Other space craft,
Computers,
And a whole host of other things wouldn't work correctly if GR was wrong.



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:10 PM
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I know nothing about physics(though I have a friend studying it), but I see a bunch of smart people here saying otherwise and it seems they find you are incorrect so the question becomes why can't you simply admit to being wrong? I don't just side with the majority(rare for me), but in this case I have to agree with them.
edit on 6-9-2016 by ksiezyc because: Grammar



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

btw gps does not use anything from GR. hope that helps



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
btw gps does not use anything from GR. hope that helps


Stop making crap up:


Real-World Relativity: The GPS Navigation System
People often ask me "What good is Relativity?" It is a commonplace to think of Relativity as an abstract and highly arcane mathematical theory that has no consequences for everyday life. This is in fact far from the truth.
Consider for a moment that when you are riding in a commercial airliner, the pilot and crew are navigating to your destination with the aid of the Global Positioning System (GPS). Further, many luxury cars now come with built-in navigation systems that include GPS receivers with digital maps, and you can purchase hand-held GPS navigation units that will give you your position on the Earth (latitude, longitude, and altitude) to an accuracy of 5 to 10 meters that weigh only a few ounces and cost around $100. Learning math is good for your brain



Gravitational time dilation in the Earth's gravitational field has been measured numerous times using atomic clocks, while ongoing validation is provided as a side effect of the operation of the Global Positioning System (GPS) General Relativity





edit on 6-9-2016 by AugustusMasonicus because: Who is Barstar Lumberjerk?



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: ksiezyc
I know nothing about physics(though I have a friend studying it), but I see a bunch of smart people here saying otherwise and it seems they find you are incorrect so the question becomes why can't you simply admit to being wrong? I don't just side with the majority(rare for me), but in this case I have to agree with them.
Lol you can't be serious, but its your choice



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

btw gps does not use anything from GR. hope that helps


You're flat out wrong.

GPS satellites have to get their time adjusted due to the slight time differences it incurs by being in orbit. If the time wasn't adjusted, the GPS wouldn't be accurate.



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: ksiezyc

What you say, especially if the holy cow of physics around here steps in, hail Arbitrageur.

But it's super funny*popcorn



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: Nochzwei
I'm very serious. Are you about this at all?



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

stop relying on wiki



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: Peeple

I agree it is funny. Especially this: (Credit to TerryDon79)




So you're saying that Einstein wasn't proven wrong by a random guy on the Internet who thinks a heater is a time machine? I never saw that coming.



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

btw gps does not use anything from GR. hope that helps


You're flat out wrong.

GPS satellites have to get their time adjusted due to the slight time differences it incurs by being in orbit. If the time wasn't adjusted, the GPS wouldn't be accurate.
GPS receivers have an empirically applied correction, independent of any GR. Talk to gps manufacturers. Ive also been a pilot, btw



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
stop relying on wiki


The first link is the Ohio State Astronomy Department and those little numbers on the bottom of the Wikipedia page are called footnotes.

Try clicking on them instead of being purposefully ignorant.



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

btw gps does not use anything from GR. hope that helps


You're flat out wrong.

GPS satellites have to get their time adjusted due to the slight time differences it incurs by being in orbit. If the time wasn't adjusted, the GPS wouldn't be accurate.
GPS receivers have an empirically applied correction, independent of any GR. Talk to gps manufacturers. Ive also been a pilot, btw


Of course they have a correction built in. That correction is calculated using GR.



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs

90 billionsth of a second ???

I thought this discussion would be about something a little more significant than that!!

How does the difference in the time on these two clocks make the trains run on time, or my hard boiled eggs get done any faster.

Boy, you talk about "deny ignorance". This may be doing just that, but how can it have any real application in the real world ???

If we were talking about the difference in time it takes to travel between star systems, then OK. But who can set their wrist watch that close and still keep an important appointment ?



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: ksiezyc
a reply to: Nochzwei
I'm very serious. Are you about this at all?
Im very serious too



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

btw gps does not use anything from GR. hope that helps


You're flat out wrong.

GPS satellites have to get their time adjusted due to the slight time differences it incurs by being in orbit. If the time wasn't adjusted, the GPS wouldn't be accurate.
GPS receivers have an empirically applied correction, independent of any GR. Talk to gps manufacturers. Ive also been a pilot, btw


Of course they have a correction built in. That correction is calculated using GR.
there is no calcultion. its empirical



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: tinymind

Well I think the discussion is focused on the general idea and that the time difference increases with more gravity? I could be wrong. Probably am. Just ignore me.



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

btw gps does not use anything from GR. hope that helps


You're flat out wrong.

GPS satellites have to get their time adjusted due to the slight time differences it incurs by being in orbit. If the time wasn't adjusted, the GPS wouldn't be accurate.
GPS receivers have an empirically applied correction, independent of any GR. Talk to gps manufacturers. Ive also been a pilot, btw


Of course they have a correction built in. That correction is calculated using GR.
there is no calcultion. its empirical


So there's no calculation apart from the calculation?

Do you even think before you reply?



posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: ksiezyc
a reply to: tinymind

Well I think the discussion is focused on the general idea and that the time difference increases with more gravity? I could be wrong. Probably am. Just ignore me.


you're right yea..
time slows down with more gravity..

When you get into using a number for time in an equation that deals with many variables to find out where someone is on earth from trigonometry or whatever..

the error of time can be magnified to proportions large enough to cause issues..

He was responing about an experiement separating clocks by 33 centimeters..

Satellites have a MUCH greater height above earth. And a more magnified effect on getting GPS cords wrong. SO we have to use Einsteins theory of relativity to adjust those numbers.. And it works..

This is a silly thread.
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