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posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY

So sad you don't have real answers, cannot provide an intelligent debate, part of group that hides and ignores facts, and only can only rant.

The persons questioning the crash of flight 93 have had their inquiries answered by frank and transparent responses. Information based on citing sources and physical evidence.

The persons questioning the crash of flight 93 have only provided:

Quotes out of context from persons that concluded flight 93 crashed at Shanksville.

Giving false dimensions concerning the crash site and will not acknowledge the extensive impact area revealed by the excavation of buried wreckage.

Will not provide answers to questions concerning the eyewitness who said the object that crashed was to small for flight 93. One, when did the eyewitness first give testimony. Two, how close were they to the flight path and can they provide proof they were there at the right time. Three, what made them a knowledgeable witnesses on the sizes of passenger jets. Four, physical evidence at crash sites proves them wrong. Five, in the context the government controls everything, this one witness fell through the cracks?

Personal favorite. Individual stating they had to correct what "debunkers" believed were wing trenches are drainage ditches. This is truely a statement of ignorance. One, the official account was flight 93 hit nose and right wing first and the drainage ditches were never thought to be caused by the wings. Two, the individual would not reply if wreckage / buried wreckage was recovered from the ditches. Three, person never provided quotes and sources of "debunkers" who were confused about the nature of the ditches. Four, my internet search only revealed persons trying to prove flight 93 did not crash referring to the ditches as wing scars.

The items persons trying to prove flight 93 did not crash ignores:

How did all the wreckage, DNA, and personal items end up at the flight 93 crash site? Right number of engines and correct nomenclature.

How did the flight recorders end up at the site buried 15 and 25 feet deep.

What created the fire damage and extensive debris field of passenger plane wreckage.

Where did flight 93 and the passengers end up in the no crash narrative.

Ignoring that the position of flight 93 was visually verified by other flights and tracked by radar to the crash site.

Flight 93 photo of the person standing by the crater? Persons failed to notice the large grass free area of lose soil that shows the true extent of the impact and were much of the wreckage was buried do to force of impact.

How did passenger jet wreckage end up buried in a 85 feet by 85 feet area, and up to 40 feet deep?




posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: Human_Alien

Actually, how corrupt the Clinton's are? Much has came to light by FBI / Government agents fighting the good fight by leaking information and causing internal conflict by standing their ground.



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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neutonflux....your new nickname is now....HAL9000.

like a machine,certainly. We need beteer from you so I am sending out positive waves.....coz we're all ATS family

I will block any attempt to pull your power plug, I got my brothers back here....
edit on 10-11-2016 by GBP/JPY because: our new King.....He comes right after a nicely done fake one



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY

Me? How about the truth movement that keeps pushing the same fasle narratives that have been debunked for at least ten years.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

You are out of phase by 180 degrees. The truth movement seeks the truth. The government apologist view that you advance seeks to suppress and cover-up the truth as it advances disinformation and deception.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 12:20 PM
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As said before your questions ate moot considering a 757 did not create the crater as the crater is not even big enough for one engine and it's nacelles
As you can see in this image the small crater created on 9/11 was around 2 feet wide at the impact zone which fans out to 15 feet wide 10 feet deep and 25 or so feet long. Much too small to have been caused by a boeing 757.

Show your family and friend they will easily agree without any convincing that flight 93 didn't crash in shanksville on 911
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posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: AsherLewin11

Another sad little rant ignoring the overwhelming evidence flight 93 crashed at Sanksville.

Ever going to reply to the overwhelming evidence the jet crashed, the extensive impact area and debris field, the numerous persons that recovered buried wreckage, and the wholes in your false narratives.

Here is your running list of thing you conveniently ignore...


The persons questioning the crash of flight 93 have had their inquiries answered by frank and transparent responses. Information based on citing sources and physical evidence.

The persons questioning the crash of flight 93 have only provided:

Quotes out of context from persons that concluded flight 93 crashed at Shanksville.

Giving false dimensions concerning the crash site and will not acknowledge the extensive impact area revealed by the excavation of buried wreckage.

Will not provide answers to questions concerning the eyewitness who said the object that crashed was to small for flight 93. One, when did the eyewitness first give testimony. Two, how close were they to the flight path and can they provide proof they were there at the right time. Three, what made them a knowledgeable witnesses on the sizes of passenger jets. Four, physical evidence at crash sites proves them wrong. Five, in the context the government controls everything, this one witness fell through the cracks?

Personal favorite. Individual stating they had to correct what "debunkers" believed were wing trenches are drainage ditches. This is truely a statement of ignorance. One, the official account was flight 93 hit nose and right wing first and the drainage ditches were never thought to be caused by the wings. Two, the individual would not reply if wreckage / buried wreckage was recovered from the ditches. Three, person never provided quotes and sources of "debunkers" who were confused about the nature of the ditches. Four, my internet search only revealed persons trying to prove flight 93 did not crash referring to the ditches as wing scars.

The items persons trying to prove flight 93 did not crash ignores:

How did all the wreckage, DNA, and personal items end up at the flight 93 crash site? Right number of engines and correct nomenclature.

How did the flight recorders end up at the site buried 15 and 25 feet deep.

What created the fire damage and extensive debris field of passenger plane wreckage.

Where did flight 93 and the passengers end up in the no crash narrative.

Ignoring that the position of flight 93 was visually verified by other flights and tracked by radar to the crash site.

Flight 93 photo of the person standing by the crater? Persons failed to notice the large grass free area of lose soil that shows the true extent of the impact and were much of the wreckage was buried do to force of impact.

How did passenger jet wreckage end up buried in a 85 feet by 85 feet area, and up to 40 feet deep?



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Again lots of letters but still no boeing 757 in shanksville as the evidence shows
look again the hole is barely big enough for one engine let alone a whole plane.
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For new readers... the gash you see in the picture was not caused on 911 but the little oval crater was. Don't forget on 911 the war game exercises had cruise missiles and surrogates over the area as witnesses heard a missile and saw something no bigger than a small van crash in shanksville
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posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: AsherLewin11

More ranting with no facts or rebuttals to your running list.

Care to engage in debate or push false narratives?


The persons questioning the crash of flight 93 have had their inquiries answered by frank and transparent responses. Information based on citing sources and physical evidence.

The persons questioning the crash of flight 93 have only provided:

Quotes out of context from persons that concluded flight 93 crashed at Shanksville.

Giving false dimensions concerning the crash site and will not acknowledge the extensive impact area revealed by the excavation of buried wreckage.

Will not provide answers to questions concerning the eyewitness who said the object that crashed was to small for flight 93. One, when did the eyewitness first give testimony. Two, how close were they to the flight path and can they provide proof they were there at the right time. Three, what made them a knowledgeable witnesses on the sizes of passenger jets. Four, physical evidence at crash sites proves them wrong. Five, in the context the government controls everything, this one witness fell through the cracks?

Personal favorite. Individual stating they had to correct what "debunkers" believed were wing trenches are drainage ditches. This is truely a statement of ignorance. One, the official account was flight 93 hit nose and right wing first and the drainage ditches were never thought to be caused by the wings. Two, the individual would not reply if wreckage / buried wreckage was recovered from the ditches. Three, person never provided quotes and sources of "debunkers" who were confused about the nature of the ditches. Four, my internet search only revealed persons trying to prove flight 93 did not crash referring to the ditches as wing scars.

The items persons trying to prove flight 93 did not crash ignores:

How did all the wreckage, DNA, and personal items end up at the flight 93 crash site? Right number of engines and correct nomenclature.

How did the flight recorders end up at the site buried 15 and 25 feet deep.

What created the fire damage and extensive debris field of passenger plane wreckage.

Where did flight 93 and the passengers end up in the no crash narrative.

Ignoring that the position of flight 93 was visually verified by other flights and tracked by radar to the crash site.

Flight 93 photo of the person standing by the crater? Persons failed to notice the large grass free area of lose soil that shows the true extent of the impact and were much of the wreckage was buried do to force of impact.

How did passenger jet wreckage end up buried in a 85 feet by 85 feet area, and up to 40 feet deep?



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 03:42 PM
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Show on that image which shows a small crater that fans out from 2-15 feet wide and 6-10 feet deep where you believe flight 93 crashed. Remember the crater is only 15 feet wide and a boeing is over 124;feet. The tail fin stands at over 40 feet.

The hole is barely big enough for 1 engine let alone whole plane


For new readrs... the gash you see in the picture was not caused on 911 but the little oval crater was. Don't forget on 911 the war game exercises had cruise missiles and surrogates over the area as witnesses heard a missile and saw sonmething no bigger than a small van crash in shanksville
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posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 03:45 PM
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The previous existing gash was most likely used as a target for the cruise missile as witnesses claimed to see and heard



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: AsherLewin11

Still ranting and ignoring debate.

You will not even site the source of you crater dimensions.

You do not give factual crater dimensions.

You ignore the true size of the crater, the impact zone, and debris field.



The impact left a crater eight to ten feet deep and 30 to 50 feet wide

en.m.wikipedia.org...

www.seattlepi.com...



Size of impact zone.




www.nps.gov...

11. What happened during the investigation at the site? The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was in charge of the investigation. Evidence recovery teams combed the area in thorough, systematic sweeps. Heavy equipment excavated the crater to an area measuring about 85' x 85' and 27' to 40' deep to recover debris and evidence. Soil removed from the crater during the investigation was raked and sifted by hand and machine to remove debris, then returned to the crater. More than one thousand persons representing more than 70 state, federal, and local agencies had credentials to work on the site.

The large body of investigators and the Pennsylvania State Police who were securing the perimeter left the site after thirteen days, on September 24, 2001. The crater was backfilled between October 1 and October 3, 2001. A six inch layer of topsoil was spread over the backfilled crater area and seeded with grass and wildflowers.



Size of debris field.





www.nps.gov...

The wreckage around and inside the crater consisted of largely unrecognizable pieces of twisted metal, pieces of the landing gear of the plane, a tire, the frames of some of the seats, bits of charred paper, and remnants of luggage and clothing. Most of the pieces of wreckage were quite small, the size of a notebook or smaller. Many more pieces of wreckage, also quite small, were recovered during the investigation when the crater was excavated. Extensive searches through the wooded area south of the crash site, and even arborists in the tree tops found more debris from the crash. A pond about 900 feet southwest of the crater was partially drained to recover debris. Debris was collected from the yards of nearby homes, farmer's fields, and from around a nearby residential lake. The largest and heaviest pieces recovered were parts of the plane's two engines and a piece of fuselage with several window openings. This fuselage piece measured about six feet by seven feet and was found near the woods south of the crater. Lightweight paper items were found as far away as New Baltimore, eight miles away.



How did a single engine cruise missiles in your false narrative leave the correct type and engines for a passenger jet, the DNA of the passengers, flight crew, and terrorists. How was there personal items of the passengers in the wreckage. How did rhe flight recorders end up buried with the wreckage at the impact zone.


Witnesses who saw flight 93 go done and verified by physical evidence.




Kelly Leverknight, a local resident, was watching news of the attacks when she heard the plane. "I heard the plane going over and I went out the front door and I saw the plane going down. It was headed toward the school, which panicked me, because all three of my kids were there. Then you heard the explosion and felt the blast and saw the fire and smoke."

en.m.wikipedia.org...
www.sptimes.com...

Another witness, Eric Peterson, looked up when he heard the plane, "It was low enough, I thought you could probably count the rivets. You could see more of the roof of the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side. There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud

en.m.wikipedia.org...-81
en.m.wikipedia.org...




posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 06:34 PM
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a reply to: AsherLewin11

Whole thread of 9/11 "war games"?

www.metabunk.org...

Do you mean trainning?

How about listing the training on 9/11 that was class room, walk through, used equipment, vs used equipment with live rounds and warheads?

Their location would be nice also? Maybe a list of the unit types?



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: AsherLewin11

In fact, it would be stupid to launch a missile during a training exercise.

Paper work, witnesses, why was the missile programmed to leave a live fire range, why did the missile leave the live fire range, answering why the missile missed its target on the live fire range, answering the investigation board on where the missile went.

In your false narrative, it makes more sense to launch the missile off the coast, in secret, with a small crew, and reprogram the missile during flight.
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posted on Nov, 13 2016 @ 09:12 AM
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The 800 pound gorilla in the "false narrative" department, is the false narrative that is the official story. It is funny-sad that so many otherwise intelligent americans still buy into it.



posted on Nov, 13 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: Salander

Another rant, no substance.



posted on Nov, 13 2016 @ 12:38 PM
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Double posted


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posted on Nov, 13 2016 @ 12:38 PM
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even though Flight 93 supposedly disappeared into the earth, the crater allegedly made when it hit the ground seems to have been too small for this to have been the case. Frank Monaco told reporters that the "V-shaped gouge" created by the plane was "eight to 10 feet deep and 15 to 20 feet long." [27] Roger Bailey, of the Somerset Volunteer Fire Department, recalled that the crater "wasn't deep. Ten to 12 feet deep." Bailey said he "thought it was a hole that they had dug to burn garbage."



As you can see folks a 20 foot long crater under 10 feet deep is much too small to have been caused by flight 93 a boeing 757



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posted on Nov, 13 2016 @ 04:18 PM
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The quote taken out of context from a news article that does not question the crash of flight 93? A quote from a man in shock, that eyeball the size of the crater, before the site was completely processed on the day of the crash?

"Jet Crashes Near Somerset; Passenger Reported Hijacking in Phone Call." Associated Press, September 11, 2001

old.post-gazette.com...




Jet crashes near Somerset; passenger reported hijacking in phone call
Tuesday, September 11, 2001

The Associated Press

SHANKSVILLE, Pa. -- A passenger on United Airlines Flight 93 called on his cell phone from a locked bathroom and delivered a chilling message. "We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!" Minutes later the jetliner crashed in western Pennsylvania with 45 people aboard, the last of four closely timed terror attacks across the country.





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posted on Nov, 13 2016 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: AsherLewin11

For the what, twelfth time, the items you ignore and try to hide. The sheer amount of physical evidence and the extensive impact zone and debris field. All because you don't understand a high speed impact totally destroys an air craft. Because you don't understand the soft ground at Shanksville was able to swallow the wreckage in a 85 feet by 85 feet area 40 feet deep. The ground was soft enough to absorb the wreckage instead of being carved out by the wreckage.




www.nps.gov...

9. How big was the crash site and what did the wreckage look like? The first responders described the crater as about 15 feet deep and about 30 feet across. It was irregularly shaped. The wreckage around and inside the crater consisted of largely unrecognizable pieces of twisted metal, pieces of the landing gear of the plane, a tire, the frames of some of the seats, bits of charred paper, and remnants of luggage and clothing. Most of the pieces of wreckage were quite small, the size of a notebook or smaller. Many more pieces of wreckage, also quite small, were recovered during the investigation when the crater was excavated. Extensive searches through the wooded area south of the crash site, and even arborists in the tree tops found more debris from the crash. A pond about 900 feet southwest of the crater was partially drained to recover debris. Debris was collected from the yards of nearby homes, farmer's fields, and from around a nearby residential lake. The largest and heaviest pieces recovered were parts of the plane's two engines and a piece of fuselage with several window openings. This fuselage piece measured about six feet by seven feet and was found near the woods south of the crater. Lightweight paper items were found as far away as New Baltimore, eight miles away.

10. Did they find the plane's black boxes here? Yes. Both of the plane's recorders, the so-called "black boxes" (which actually are orange), were found in the crash site crater. The flight data recorder was recovered on Thursday, September 13 at 4:20 pm at a depth of 15 feet. On September 14, at 8:30 pm, the cockpit voice recorder was found at a depth of 25 feet. Both were turned over to the National Transportation Safety Board for analysis. (None of the black boxes from Flight 11 and Flight 175 were recovered in the rubble of the World Trade Center. At the Pentagon, only the Flight Data Recorder from Flight 77 yielded information.)

11. What happened during the investigation at the site? The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was in charge of the investigation. Evidence recovery teams combed the area in thorough, systematic sweeps. Heavy equipment excavated the crater to an area measuring about 85' x 85' and 27' to 40' deep to recover debris and evidence. Soil removed from the crater during the investigation was raked and sifted by hand and machine to remove debris, then returned to the crater. More than one thousand persons representing more than 70 state, federal, and local agencies had credentials to work on the site.

The large body of investigators and the Pennsylvania State Police who were securing the perimeter left the site after thirteen days, on September 24, 2001. The crater was backfilled between October 1 and October 3, 2001. A six inch layer of topsoil was spread over the backfilled crater area and seeded with grass and wildflowers.





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