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Is Donald Trump trying to LOSE the 2016 Presidential election?

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posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: ghostrager
Maybe it's a sign, quite literally....let the conspiracies roll




Could be...I do think 'they' drop clues, sometimes.

Reminds me of this 'sign':



PassportS....now why would Obama have more than one passport?


Full video:

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posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: ghostrager

Probably the most interesting bit is in the video the name tag is "President William J Clinton". However, in the linked article a twitter post from Boomer Esiason shows just "President Clinton" without the "William J.". It's a photo showing the locker taken June 2016.

Maybe it's a sign, quite literally....let the conspiracies roll



Mandela Effect



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 08:12 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Me and a few others have been saying this from the beginning.

TPTB knew the public was getting sick of there approved candidates and knew hillary would have a problem getting into power.

So they send trump in to draw idiot vote and destroy the GOP from the inside.

Trumps done his job.

One Hillary gets in, no doubt she will reward trump with a multitude of government contracts and tax breaks.


All election results have to be is "believable."



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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I think if during the upcoming debate, Trump loses it and says some intentionally crazy and whacky things and blows the debate as if on purpose, then we'll know.

Another telltale sign, imo, would be if Trump is found to say very little or nothing regarding the release of the FBI's Clinton email investigation, and lets a news cycle pass on that one.. then you'd know that he's indirectly working for the Clinton campaign to let that kind of opportunity pass to keep Clinton on the defensive. Meanwhile, after hanging up the phone with Trump, Hillary kicks back for the long weekend, rest assured that it will all pass without much fanfare or too many questions. "Just let sleeping dogs lie" she said to him, to which he replied "quid pro quo" once or twice, for emphasis.

Where they go and what they do and say from here on in, since the electoral path is pretty straight, should tell the tale on whether this little conspiracy has legs or not.

I'm certainly not the first to suggest that he's trying to lose, for whatever reason. Even many of his supporters and surrogates speculate about it and even say it out loud.

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posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 08:26 PM
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You done figured it out.

You and all the trump haters have actually been helping Trump with his plan to lose.

The only way to thwart the evil Trump is to actually endorse and support him.

That is how you radicals can stick it to the man - Trump.
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posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
..or is he just totally inept?

There are reports that he met with Bill Clinton prior to announcing his run - is this true?

Also, he reportedly gave the Clinton Foundation over 100K.

Maybe he's not really such an outsider after all, but not unlike Alex Jones is a type of controlled opposition either knowingly, or unwittingly even..?

This election appears to be like a rigged boxing match, where immediately after the Trump Convention (can't really be called the Republican National Convention, in many ways), and in the wake of the Democratic National Convention, he appeared to punch himself into a corner and then attempted a series of knockout blows, of which his recent immigration speech in Phoenix, given the changed demographics and landscape of the country, was the coup de gras.

Meanwhile, Clinton appears to be just trying to take it easy and is by no means campaigning like her life depended on it, opting for what appears to be a relatively light agenda (unless she's been just waiting for the final 60 day run when everyone's started paying attention after the labor day long weekend).

I think it might have all the hallmarks of a tossed election on Donald Trump's part, perhaps not via a conspiracy with Bill and Hillary to destroy the Republican Party and make absolutely certain that she will be elected, but because he doesn't really want the job and might even be afraid of it, due to his lack of education, understanding and preparedness. In other words maybe he knows he'll f it all up and thus is making choices that will limit or put a cap and a lid on his ability to turn it all around and win the election, opting instead to look with an eye on the future as an outspoken voice of opposition, while sidelining the Republican Party's legitimate concerns and in effect hijacking them for purely selfish aims.

Could Donald Trump be a "controlled opposition" either knowingly or unwittingly, not unlike Alex Jones?

Or am I reading too much into it as a "conspiracy theorist"?

Donald Trump cannot be this dumb, this inept. He's always played the system for selfish gain where money in the margin is the sole measure of success.

I don't think he ever planned or hoped to actually win.

That's the way it appears, and since he's not an idiot, I would suggest that the fix is in, with Donald Trump's full complicity and that he's doing everything he can to throw the election with his latest outreach to black and minority voters, nothing but a weak pandering, to appease the rest of his base (see, I'm not racist), a base which he doesn't really want to expand and grow. It's clearly defined. There was no pivot, let alone a sophisticated pivot to the center in order to win, no real change in tactic or strategy, just more of a doubling down on what won him the primary, which is NOT a strategy to win come November.

I think it's obvious, all but self evident, no matter what all you Trumpeteers might have to say.



There is a pretty cool theory that says trumps run is really about creating a media giant.

That's why he has chosen the advisors he has . Roger ailes, Steve bannon and kelly Anne.



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
There is a pretty cool theory that says trumps run is really about creating a media giant.



Maybe that's part of the pay-off.



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork




I think if during the upcoming debate, Trump loses it and says some intentionally crazy and whacky things and blows the debate as if on purpose, then we'll know.



Or if Trump punks out and bails on the debate, he will show what a pu$$y he is and even his die hard supporters will know he wasn't serious.

That is precisely what I think Trump will pull....

Trump has no sense of honor or human decency and will chump his followers out just like he has in many of his business dealings....I have a yuggge "I told you so banner" and can't wait to use it.
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posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: AnkhMorpork




I think if during the upcoming debate, Trump loses it and says some intentionally crazy and whacky things and blows the debate as if on purpose, then we'll know.



Or if Trump punks out and bails on the debate, he will show what a pu$$y he is and even his die hard supporters will know he wasn't serious.

That is precisely what I think Trump will pull....


Its a total load of crap that trump is in this trying to lose.

will you eat your words when he doesn't back out of the debates?

people saying Trump is in it to lose really are scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

How much money has he put into this campaign?
Imagine how much his reputation would be tarnished if he built such a following then abandoned them?
Why is he exposing Hillary and constantly bringing up all her illegal activities?

I cant believe we have another thread about this here... its utter nonsense... you only need to look at the situation to see your talking absolute batcrap!



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop
How much money has he put into this campaign?
Imagine how much his reputation would be tarnished if he built such a following then abandoned them?
Why is he exposing Hillary and constantly bringing up all her illegal activities?



He loaned his campaign money. He will make money from this campaign.

Why would his reputation be tarnished? It's not like most of his supporters will ever believe he threw this race to Hillary if he loses. They won't blame him. They will blame everything except him.

AND...when Trump talks about 'Crooked Hillary,' he does me and everyone else who understands the criminal past of the Clintons a disservice because he cannot be taken seriously. He doesn't want to be taken seriously. He doesn't want any Hilary critics taken seriously. He's not doing anyone except Hillary & her supporters any favors when he rants about her.

The fact that he says ISIS was started by Obama and Hillary, INSTEAD of Obama, the Clintons, the Bushes, AND the CIA (and other U.S. intelligence agencies) tells me he is NOT the "honest" outsider he claims to be. That, alone, is enough clue to just how insider and phony Trump is.




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posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

He did have quite the cozy relationship with the Clintons. His daughter was also very close friends with her daughter. He was once a democrat and still shares some democratic views.

I doubt there's not many people who would turn on their friends and on their daughters best friends parents, like the Donald. It clearly shows he doesn't have any respect for his daughter's friendly relationship with Chelsey Clinton or his own personal friendships. I mean really he could have kept it civil and attacked Clinton's record instead of personally attacking both Hillary and Bill.

If he's in the race to lose than he has a lot of gullible supporters he didn't take into account who would take him seriously. He's certainly not helping the Republican party. On the other hand, he could just be that brash, considering he was once known to be a bully. Usually bullies are more self-centered about themselves and really don't care who they hurt. All I know is this election will go down into the history books as being the most outrageous on record.



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: WeRpeons
If he's in the race to lose than he has a lot of gullible supporters he didn't take into account who would take him seriously. He's certainly not helping the Republican party.


I think he/Bill/TPTB did take them into account. And they are preying on them. 'They' will marginalize so many people and so many 'undesirable opinions' if/when Trump loses. "America will reject Trump & his supporters and their way of 'thinking.'"

The media is going to have a field day.

The truth is, I even find something appealing about Trump's populist image. But I know Trump is a fraud and I have since 2011.

He is just constantly giving talking heads something to talk about when they explain why he lost the election....and when they explain how someone as unpopular and someone with such a huge 'unfavorable' polling number, like Hillary Clinton, won.



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

And that does bring to mind Trumps relationship with the GOP. If he loses of quits, it will destroy the Republican party. And bring down anyone running for congress or the senate along with him.
Trump has shown his disdain for the Republicans thru out his campaign. Trojan Horse??

www.rollingstone.com...
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posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

You seriously believe he's throwing the campaign?
I mean... that's the conclusion you have come to?

Have you even bothered to watch his 2 most important speeches start to finish?




Those are not the words of a man trying to throw his campaign - far from it.

If you pipe in with the typical '' I dont want to waste my time '' or '' I cant listen to the man for that long '' response I will be sorely dissapointed.


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posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: WeRpeons
If he's in the race to lose than he has a lot of gullible supporters he didn't take into account who would take him seriously. He's certainly not helping the Republican party.


I think he/Bill/TPTB did take them into account. And they are preying on them. 'They' will marginalize so many people and so many 'undesirable opinions' if/when Trump loses. "America will reject Trump & his supporters and their way of 'thinking.'"

The media is going to have a field day.

The truth is, I even find something appealing about Trump's populist image. But I know Trump is a fraud and I have since 2011.

He is just constantly giving talking heads something to talk about when they explain why he lost the election....and when they explain how someone as unpopular and someone with such a huge 'unfavorable' polling number, like Hillary Clinton, won.

There has never been a legitimate contender for the White House who inspired so much fear in so many people, and in a different year, he’d be a fringe extremist with no prayer of winning.....
These outcomes have to be intentional
Clinton is running a campaign, with the secret goal of helping Trump win the presidency.
we see polls roll in indicating that voters actually trust Trump more than her, we’re watching this nightmare scenario unfold.
lesser-of-two-evils act



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

That's the conclusion I began with. As I said, I've known Trump was a fraud since 2011. I don't expect you to believe that, but I do because of my unique perspective and brief brush with Donald Trump.

One day, I'd like to write a book called 'The Ten Year Plan.' Because every major political event we see is ten years in the making, at least. That's how Fabian socialism works.

Ten years ago, Mark Burnett approached Trump about doing The Apprentice. And Trump has had ten years to practice conning the public on camera and setting this stage.



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: madenusa

I disagree. We have been groomed for the last eight years to accept another Democratic administration.



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Agit8dChop
That's the conclusion I began with. As I said, I've known Trump was a fraud since 2011


How exactly?

no offense, but how is it you have the inside lane on knowing he's a fraud when the entire Democratic campaign dont know?

Is his fraud related to his ''throwing this campaign'' ? is it a 5yr plan?

Have you listened to those to speeches I linked above from start to finish ?



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

None of the above.

There is nothing that shows he is trying to lose. It looks like quite the opposite, actually.

Finding some evidence might help to fuel your theory, but it doesn't look like there is any. The evidence points to the exact opposite.


It's not a theory, OP is an extreme democrat and he's just trying to cast more negativity and doubt on Trump without going the "he is a racist, bigot, homophobe, xenophobe, sexist, transphobe, pansexualphobe, brownphobe" rout this time because no one believes that garbage either except the MSM brainwashed low information voters.



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Agit8dChop
That's the conclusion I began with. As I said, I've known Trump was a fraud since 2011


How exactly?

no offense, but how is it you have the inside lane on knowing he's a fraud when the entire Democratic campaign dont know?

Is his fraud related to his ''throwing this campaign'' ? is it a 5yr plan?

Have you listened to those to speeches I linked above from start to finish ?


I don't expect anyone else to believe anything about my brief brush with Trump, in 2011, but if you are interested, I will PM you. No, it has nothing to do with his campaign.

Also, I don't listen to Trump (in the way I believe you mean) because I don't take him seriously.




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