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posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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originally posted by: twfau
a reply to: Logarock

The guy who got attacked was (according the website that put the video up) an alcoholic so his behaviour was more in line with the Christian west than with Islam.


You might be surprised. I taught Saudis here in the states for a number of years, and found that my students were just as prone to partying as American students might be.

As a matter of fact, according to the Muslim faith (please correct me if wrong) the prohibition is for prayer time only, so if you could manage to start drinking after the final prayer for the day and get it out of your system before the morning call to prayer, you weren't doing anything "haram" anyway.




posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

Translation: Miracula is perfectly ok with an extremist religious group using force & violence, so long as he agrees with the sect.


No, I believe violence should be used in self-defence.

The guy was totally out of line. If the guy's music player was too loud. Then he should have respectfully asked the man to respect the prayer meeting.

If the guy refused to comply and was in violation of the law. Then he should have called the police. That's the police job, to keep the peace between opposing parties experiencing hostility.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: zosimov
You might be surprised. I taught Saudis here in the states for a number of years, and found that my students were just as prone to partying as American students might be.


That's youth. Not Islam or Christianity. Both religion are against adult refusing to mature and remain alcoholics.

Kid's party that part of growing up.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: ozb1777



If it was a bunch of muslims praying and a white person, christian or not came along playing music and the muslims got up and beat the crap out of him and or killed him ,these a.....s Kissers here on ATS would say, ''serve him right for upsetting the muslims''


You honestly believe that nonsense?

Are you seriously labelling people who have discerning minds and empathy that oppose violence as being "a$$kissers"?

lol, unbelievable!


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a reply to: chuck258




The big difference is, Muslims have committed like 99% of all terrorist attack in the last decade. And when called out on it, Muslims get all "Islam is a religion of peace". We didn't start saying it out of the blue, we started saying it mockingly because you, your fellow Islamic apologists and whiny Muslims kept parroting it.


I was holding off on creating a thread, but your ignorant comment has inspired me to do so (deny ignorance). Thank you.


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a reply to: RainbowPhoenix



Just as you nor anyone else can disprove it...


That's it? That's all you can come up with as a retort..? Have you at least contemplated *the possibility* that he might NOT be Muslim at all or will doing so mess up the narrative in your head that you feel the desperate need to cling to? Also, do you honestly STILL condone the violence shown in the video you posted after entertaining most of the comments shared in this thread?



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix
a reply to: TerryDon79




but not a single person can prove it.


Just as you nor anyone else can disprove it...

You've got a fairly colorful peacock there. I'm going to assume you're waving your gay flag with it. Can't disprove it, it's the internet.


Lol no not really, I'm a Leo and a rooster in the Chinese zodiac so I am basically both of the most flamboyant and flashy of signs. I do like warm, bright and vibrant colors which coincidentally enough compose most of the rainbow.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: chuck258

Yes and it's not like Christians are free from having blood on their hands now is it....

Oh wait



What was it Jesus said ? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ?

Christianity has A LOT of blood on their hands throughout history from the Crusades to the Witch hunts to the Inquisitions, but that's okay right ? because it wasn't in the last decade.

I'm sure there's many Christians who, if called upon would go fight their own modern day crusade like the ISIS nutjobs are doing, all they need is a worthy excuse/cause

And FYI I'm not an Islamic apologist, I hate all religions equally, they're a cancer that affect weak minded individuals who cannot comprehend that life has no purpose or meaning and we're only brought about by the random chaos that exists everywhere in the universe. It's why humans are drawn to violence, chaos rules all



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 08:47 PM
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I sort of hate to say such a thing, and maybe it was mentioned in the 40 pages previously... I didn't read them all... but what is the point of praying for someone that is already dead? Catholic or not? Catholic especially. In the Catholic faith... it means nothing. You can't change someone's fate after they are already dead. That is official Catholic dogma. When someone dies, they are judged. Praying for someone after they are dead doesn't help them. It does nothing for him. If it was a priest, he would know that.

What exactly is the point of their prayer session?



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 08:56 PM
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Some things occur to me after watching the video several times:

* The attacker is watching off camera intently for much of the minute leading up to the incident
* The attacker is fidgeting with something that I suspect might be brass knuckles
* Many members of the group do not seem surprised at the turn of events
* The victim clearly did not anticipate the violence
* Almost none of the aftermath is showed
* It's unclear why the attacker would immediately begin dragging the victim into the street

I suspect this was premeditated and that a weapon was used to obtain the instant KO. As others have pointed out, this is a group of Christian radicals who promote violence. I have found no evidence that the victim is a Muslim. So far as I can tell (most of the news is in French so I'm relying on a translation tool), French police say there will be no pursuit of charges because the victim never filed a complaint.

In all honesty, I wonder if they murdered this man and drove off with the body. A blow that powerful, especially with brass knuckles, could end a life and it is peculiar that the victim didn't issue a formal complaint.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: rshackleford
I sort of hate to say such a thing, and maybe it was mentioned in the 40 pages previously... I didn't read them all... but what is the point of praying for someone that is already dead? Catholic or not? Catholic especially. In the Catholic faith... it means nothing. You can't change someone's fate after they are already dead. That is official Catholic dogma. When someone dies, they are judged. Praying for someone after they are dead doesn't help them. It does nothing for him. If it was a priest, he would know that.

What exactly is the point of their prayer session?


As I understand it from translating French news sources, they were actually protesting the closure and impending demolition of a Catholic church called Sainte Rita. It bears noting that in France, praying in public as they are is illegal.
edit on 3-9-2016 by JohnnyElohim because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyElohim

Ah. Thank you. So they weren't there just 'praying for a priest' in general as was suggested by the original post. It had to do with protest.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: Miracula2




The guy was totally out of line. If the guy's music player was too loud. Then he should have respectfully asked the man to respect the prayer meeting.

If the guy refused to comply and was in violation of the law. Then he should have called the police. That's the police job, to keep the peace between opposing parties experiencing hostility.


but, it seems that they were louder than the guy's music was, I don't hear no music on the video although I can hear their prayers. this isn't happening within a church, it seems to be on a rather busy street...LITERALLY! gee if someone happened to be walking a baby stroller down that sidewalk, would they have the right to request the person to take their crying baby somewhere else, how dare they disrespect their little prayer meeting. and how dare that one mother lead her kids on their scooters down that sidewalk, why, they should have crossed the street at least!!
the people walking down that sidewalk, along with the cars driving down the road, probably had a good reason to be doing so, might have had an actual need to be there...
care to explain why these people just had to be kneeling there praying, in what appears to be a road. I highly doubt if God would have refused to hear their prayers if they had selected a different place to pray, like a church, or one of their homes, or a backyard....
but I can see why that mother with the kids on scooters wouldn't want to cross a busy street unnecessarily just so they didn't intrude on their prayer meeting!



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 09:11 PM
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One further thing to leave here. According to this story:

www.lexpress.fr...

The attacker is associated with a Facebook group called Amalek. Amalek is a reference to an event in the Torah where God arguably commands his followers to commit a genocide (specifically of all those who dwelled in Canann, "thou shalt save alive nothing that breathes"). Nazis and Neo Nazis have strongly identified with the reference.

Suffice to say, the reference is loaded to say the least.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: rshackleford

So far as I can tell. Of course bear in mind that I dug up a French news source, plugged it into a translator, and reported findings here. A pinch of salt might be in order.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyElohim

Your link also names the "Christians" as the Soldiers of Christ. Those guys/gals are about as fundemental as ISIS (no joke). They call for wars, elimination of "non-Christians" and all sorts of barbaric things.

Here's a link to their website. Be warned, some of what's said on there is downright disgusting.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Miracula2




The guy was totally out of line. If the guy's music player was too loud. Then he should have respectfully asked the man to respect the prayer meeting.

If the guy refused to comply and was in violation of the law. Then he should have called the police. That's the police job, to keep the peace between opposing parties experiencing hostility.


but, it seems that they were louder than the guy's music was, I don't hear no music on the video although I can hear their prayers. this isn't happening within a church, it seems to be on a rather busy street...LITERALLY! gee if someone happened to be walking a baby stroller down that sidewalk, would they have the right to request the person to take their crying baby somewhere else, how dare they disrespect their little prayer meeting. and how dare that one mother lead her kids on their scooters down that sidewalk, why, they should have crossed the street at least!!
the people walking down that sidewalk, along with the cars driving down the road, probably had a good reason to be doing so, might have had an actual need to be there...
care to explain why these people just had to be kneeling there praying, in what appears to be a road. I highly doubt if God would have refused to hear their prayers if they had selected a different place to pray, like a church, or one of their homes, or a backyard....
but I can see why that mother with the kids on scooters wouldn't want to cross a busy street unnecessarily just so they didn't intrude on their prayer meeting!








Actually to be fair and honest if you take a look again they are positioned between the sidewalk and the space reserved for parking. So essentially they are in a parking space out of the way of both the street and/or sidewalk.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Oh, right, I forgot. A black guy can ONLY be a Christian, Muslim or athiest. Because there's no other religions anywhere.

This is the whole "black dude must be X because he's black" argument. It's flawed beyond belief.


It doesn't matter what his color is.

He happened to be black.

He wasn't smacked because he was black and Muslim.

Any color Muslim or any other person would probably have been smacked for doing or saying what he did.

The entity was smacked down for the reason given or for what you believe to have happened in your own mind.

Anyone who was actually on their knees with them at the time, raise your hand.








posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

Your link also names the "Christians" as the Soldiers of Christ. Those guys/gals are about as fundemental as ISIS (no joke). They call for wars, elimination of "non-Christians" and all sorts of barbaric things.

Here's a link to their website. Be warned, some of what's said on there is downright disgusting.


Since we are on this subject allow me to share excerpts from the oath of Jesuits whose ranks include many powerful people such as politicians and even the current pope.



You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.






I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.



7 things you need to know about Jesuits

Just another shining example of why I despise and distrust organized religion.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 11:05 PM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Oh, right, I forgot. A black guy can ONLY be a Christian, Muslim or athiest. Because there's no other religions anywhere.

This is the whole "black dude must be X because he's black" argument. It's flawed beyond belief.


It doesn't matter what his color is.

He happened to be black.

He wasn't smacked because he was black and Muslim.

Any color Muslim or any other person would probably have been smacked for doing or saying what he did.

The entity was smacked down for the reason given or for what you believe to have happened in your own mind.

Anyone who was actually on their knees with them at the time, raise your hand.







We don't know that he was (is?) a Muslim and we don't know what he said or did. Nothing in the video is indicative of much on the part of the victim. We do know that people approving of this shocking display of violence seemed to feel it was delivery of comeuppance for the crime of disrespectfully playing music on his phone in a public place. We also know that the creators of the video are a group of radicalized Christians and that the individual who delivered the blow seems to be part of a group that has a fondness for genocide. "The entity" was violently assaulted without apparent warning for reasons unknown to the viewer. But the creators of the video and the deliverer of the blow can quite clearly be traced to extremism that endorses violence along racial and cultural lines.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 11:42 PM
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I have said it before and will keep saying it. The so called muslims are not muslims but hadith following cults who follow buhkari and muslim plus others. They do not follow the Quran. They follow them. They are a violent cult that place Mohd above all , even god and they unfortunately represent Islam now. We are a small minority that say you should only follow the Quran.

We believe in no man made cult. Sunni and shias are rigid cults. Just an example the Quran says "there is no compulsion in religions" or for apostates, god says I have reserved severe punishment for them but according to these cultist, we should kill apostates. God makes no command to do such a thing. This evil creed condemns ppl who just want to follow the Quran to death.

Beware of them. They are evil. They want to take over the world and impose their brand of hadith Islam and impose sharia law.

Quran only muslims have no desire to impose our views on any one. We want to live peacefully with Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc.

Go to youtube and see how these sunni scum treat ppl that just want to follow the holy book and nothing else. They will call them everything under the sun.

Just for your info. The prophet banned anything he said , in case ppl went astray and his followers burnt all their writings.

These evil hadiths were introduced into Islam over 200 years after the prophet's death. Sunnis say they are authentic. Chinese whispers anyone?.



posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: adamsc
I have said it before and will keep saying it. The so called muslims are not muslims but hadith following cults who follow buhkari and muslim plus others. They do not follow the Quran. They follow them. They are a violent cult that place Mohd above all , even god and they unfortunately represent Islam now. We are a small minority that say you should only follow the Quran.

We believe in no man made cult. Sunni and shias are rigid cults. Just an example the Quran says "there is no compulsion in religions" or for apostates, god says I have reserved severe punishment for them but according to these cultist, we should kill apostates. God makes no command to do such a thing. This evil creed condemns ppl who just want to follow the Quran to death.

Beware of them. They are evil. They want to take over the world and impose their brand of hadith Islam and impose sharia law.

Quran only muslims have no desire to impose our views on any one. We want to live peacefully with Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc.

Go to youtube and see how these sunni scum treat ppl that just want to follow the holy book and nothing else. They will call them everything under the sun.

Just for your info. The prophet banned anything he said , in case ppl went astray and his followers burnt all their writings.

These evil hadiths were introduced into Islam over 200 years after the prophet's death. Sunnis say they are authentic. Chinese whispers anyone?.


Thanks for your thoughtful reply. It does strike me as sad that you feel the need to point out the nuance of the Muslim world in a thread that begins with a celebration of violence against a man who has done no conspicuous harm and whom we have no reason to believe is in fact a Muslim. I would add to what you've said here that even among the branches of Islam that take the Hadiths seriously, there is even then much nuance and debate surrounding the meaning and value of them (i.e. are they primarily allegorical, and should they be interpreted as universal or in the context of the times).




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