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Let's Talk About Trump's Extreme Vetting and Ideological Certification

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posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 07:22 PM
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Is any anyone else concerned about this type of thing?

Let me remind everyone what he said.



“We should only admit into this country those who share our values and respect our people,” Trump said at a campaign rally in Youngstown, Ohio. “The time is overdue to develop a new screening test for the threats we face today. “I call it extreme vetting,” Trump said.


If we start screening those we want to enter the country, and have an ideological test of what we think is acceptable to become an American...at what point does Trump or someone else decide, "Maybe we should screen all Americans with this test to see if they are American enough"?

This is comparable to McCarthyism in my opinion, and it is not something I am comfortable with.

There was so much I disagreed with in Trump's immigration speech, that this at first kind of slipped by. It was the first I heard of something like this, and the more I think about it, the more I think this is probably the worst part of his entire plan.

So if you support this type of "screening"...what type of questions do you think should be asked to potential immigrants?

What are "our" values?

What "people" does he want immigrants to respect...when Trump himself doesn't respect all people of this country?

Who is going to decide who passes this test and who fails?




posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

Why would you want any moron to be able to come here no problem?

I think there still are boxes to check if you are Commie and something else, already.

I see no problem.

Economic refugees/migrants are another category to be looked at besides ideological.

The immigrants should be able to pay their own way or have sponsors responsible for them.

Like in any NORMAL 1st world country.







posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

No link of course to verify the quote or when it was said and what else was in context.

Jolly good show.



The plan might be a good start.


edit on Sep-01-2016 by xuenchen because: emailfail



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

That probably was one of the smartest quotes from Trump. How can you find fault in that statement?

When i used to travel to arab countries, we had to abide by their laws and values. If it was a dry country, no alcohol, women had to cover up etc... why are there issues when it comes to our American values?

Ask france how things have worked for them so far....
They have strict and primitive laws in their land which i was obliged to respect, why cant our core values be observed.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 07:42 PM
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When i used to travel to arab countries, we had to abide by their laws and values. If it was a dry country, no alcohol, women had to cover up etc... why are there issues when it comes to our American values?


Should we aspire to be like those Arab countries?

Or should be aspire to be the example of freedom?



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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BUILD THAT WALL. EXTREME VETTING TO THE EXTREME.

That's what is sounds like in the media. Defending and protecting the borders is the apex of what the Federal Government is suppose to do. How many incidents have we had now due to poor vetting processes. I will tell you; too many. It will only get worse. Eventually people will get to the point where they will be asking what happened? How did we get to this point and what can be done. By that stage it will be too late.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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I like this. There should be an extreme vetting process. As is vetting simply fails.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

They have their values wh8ch we respected each time. We have ours. Why is there ambiguity in that.

Were not aspiring to be like them, just asking to respect our homeland and values.

American citizens shouldnt have to worry about sharia laws while living in america.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:05 PM
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Test can start with... "do you believe being gay is a sin? Y/N."



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

What does it all matter?? Lets not talk about vetting and move on with our lives..it does not matter what he says or Hillary..you have one guy out of his mind and one lady that is so well insulated and bought that she could care less about human life let alone...your are so naive if you think all this matters...

Hillary will most assuredly win but it's not because she deserves it,
she will get in regardless of how many people died in Benghazi,
she will get in regardless that she has run basically a money laundering operation under the guise of the Clinton Foundation
She will get in despite us or anybody knowing what the hell Bill Clinton's shell company WJC LLC. is all about
she will get in despite not paying taxes
she will get in despite all the people that have died mysteriously
she will get in despite doing business with felons and criminals
she will get in despite taking donations from the Saudi's and other criminal enterprises
she will get in despite the blatant lies told around the emails regarding Benghazi
she will get in despite the DNC basically writing stories for the day in major media outlets on her behalf
she will get in despite the Vince Foster document debacle..

and to be honest it's fine that she lies...what's not fine is that she is never held accountable...so I'm not worrying about this half a nit wit Donald Trump because he's not getting in...he owes nobody nothing so he is useless in the eyes of Corporate America and the Elites

Here is a list for 2015 and earlier for her speaking engagements...
March 19, 2015 American Camping Association (J-1 Visa Program) Atlantic City, NJ $260,000.00
March 11, 2015 eBay Inc. San Jose, CA $315,000.00
February 24, 2015 Watermark Silicon Valley Conference for Women Santa Clara, CA $225,500.00
January 22, 2015 Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (Keystone Pipeline) Whistler, Canada $150,000.00
January 21, 2015 tinePublic Inc. (Keystone Pipeline) Winnipeg, Canada $262,000.00
January 21, 2015 tinePublic Inc. (Keystone Pipeline) Saskatoon, Canada $262,500.00
December 4, 2014 Massachusetts Conference for Women Boston, MA $205,500.00
October 14, 2014 Salesforce.com San Francisco, CA $225,500.00
October 14, 2014 Qualcomm Incorporated San Diego, CA $335,000.00
October 13, 2014 Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers Colorado Springs, CO $225,500.00
October 8, 2014 Advanced Medical Technology Association (AdvaMed) Chicago, IL $265,000.00
October 7, 2014 Deutsche Bank AG New York, NY $280,000.00
October 6, 2014 Canada 2020 (Keystone Pipeline) Ottawa, Canada $215,500.00
October 2, 2014 Commercial Real Estate Women Network Miami Beach, FL $225,500.00
September 15, 2014 Cardiovascular Research Foundation Washington, DC $275,000.00
September 4, 2014 Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd, LLP San Diego, CA $225,500.00
August 28, 2014 Nexenta System, Inc. San Francisco, CA $300,000.00
August 28, 2014 Cisco Las Vegas, NV $325,000.00
July 29, 2014 Corning, Inc. Corning, NY $225,500.00
July 26, 2014 Ameriprise Boston, MA $225,500.00
July 22, 2014 Knewton, Inc. San Francisco, CA $225,500.00
June 26, 2014 GTCR Chicago, IL $280,000.00
June 25, 2014 Biotechnology Industry Organization San Diego, CA $335,000.00
June 25, 2014 Innovation Arts and Entertainment San Francisco, CA $150,000.00
June 20, 2014 Innovation Arts and Entertainment Austin, TX $150,000.00
June 18, 2014 tinePublic Inc. (Keystone Pipeline) Toronto, Canada $150,000.00
June 18, 2014 tinePublic Inc. (Keystone Pipeline) Edmonton, Canada $100,000.00
June 10, 2014 United Fresh Produce Association Chicago, IL $225,000.00
June 2, 2014 International Deli-Dairy-Bakery Association Denver, CO $225,500.00
June 2, 2014 Let's Talk Entertainment Denver, CO $265,000.00
May 6, 2014 National Council for Behavorial Healthcare Washington, DC $225,500.00
April 11, 2014 California Medical Association (via Satellite) San Diego, CA $100,000.00
April 10, 2014 Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries, Inc. Las Vegas, NV $225,500.00
April 10, 2014 Let's Talk Entertainment San Jose, CA $265,000.00
April 8, 2014 Marketo, Inc. San Francisco, CA $225,500.00
April 8, 2014 World Affairs Council Portland, OR $250,500.00
March 24, 2014 Academic Partnerships Dallas, TX $225,500.00
March 18, 2014 Xerox Corporation New York, NY $225,000.00
March 18, 2014 Board of Trade of Metropolitan Montreal (Keystone Pipeline) Montreal, Canada $275,000.00
March 13, 2014 Pharmaceutical Care Management Association Orlando, FL $225,500.00
March 13, 2014 Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies New York, NY $250,000.00
March 6, 2014 tinePublic Inc. (Keystone Pipeline) Calgary, Canada $225,500.00
March 5, 2014 The Vancouver Board of Trade (Keystone Pipeline) Vancouver, Canada $275,500.00
March 4, 2014 Association of Corporate Counsel - Southern California Los Angeles, CA $225,500.00
February 27, 2014 A&E Television Networks New York, NY $280,000.00
February 26, 2014 Healthcare Information and Management Systems Society Orlando, FL $225,500.00
February 17, 2014 Novo Nordisk A/S Mexico City, Mexico $125,000.00
February 6, 2014 Salesforce.com Las Vegas, NV $225,500.00
January 27, 2014 National Automobile Dealers Association New Orleans, LA $325,500.00
January 27, 2014 Premier Health Alliance Miami, FL $225,500.00
January 6, 2014 GE Boca Raton, FL $225,500.00
November 21, 2013 U.S. Green Building Council Philadelphia, PA $225,000.00
November 18, 2013 CME Group Naples, FL $225,000.00
November 18, 2013 Press Ganey Orlando, FL $225,000.00
November 14, 2013 CB Richard Ellis, Inc. New York, NY $250,000.00
November 13, 2013 Mediacorp Canada, Inc. Toronto, Canada $225,000.00
November 9, 2013 National Association of Realtors San Francisco, CA $225,000.00
November 7, 2013 Golden Tree Asset Management New York, NY $275,000.00
November 6, 2013 Beaumont Health System Troy, MI $305,000.00
November 4, 2013 Mase Productions, Inc. Orlando, FL $225,000.00
November 4, 2013 London Drugs, Ltd. Mississauga, ON $225,000.00
October 29, 2013 The Goldman Sachs Group Tuscon, AZ $225,000.00
October 28, 2013 Jewish United Fund/Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago Chicago, IL $400,000.00
October 27, 2013 Beth El Synagogue Minneapolis, MN $225,000.00
October 24, 2013 Accenture New York, NY $225,000.00
October 24, 2013 The Goldman Sachs Group New York, NY $225,000.00
October 23, 2013 SAP Global Marketing, Inc. New York, NY $225,000.00
October 15, 2013 National Association of Convenience Stores Atlanta, GA $265,000.00
October 4, 2013 Long Island Association Long Island, NY $225,000.00
September 19, 2013 American Society of Travel Agents, Inc. Miami, FL $225,000.00
September 18, 2013 American Society for Clinical Pathology Chicago, IL $225,000.00
August 12, 2013 National Association of Chain Drug Stores Las Vegas, NV $225,000.00
August 7, 2013 Global Business Travel Association San Diego, CA $225,000.00
July 11, 2013 UBS Wealth Management New York, NY $225,000.00
June 24, 2013 American Jewish University University City, CA $225,000.00
June 24, 2013 Kohlberg Kravis Roberts and Company, LP Palos Verdes, CA $225,000.00
June 20, 2013 Boston Consulting Group, Inc. Boston, MA $225,000.00
June 20, 2013 Let's Talk Entertainment, Inc. Toronto, Canada $250,000.00
Glad she is focusing on the country and not her bank account..and there was a lot more



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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June 16, 2013 Society for Human Resource Management Chicago, IL $285,000.00
June 6, 2013 Spencer Stuart New York, NY $225,000.00
June 4, 2013 The Goldman Sachs Group Palmetto Bluffs, SC $225,000.00
May 29, 2013 Sanford C. Bernstein and Co., LLC New York, NY $225,000.00
May 21, 2013 Verizon Communications, Inc. Washington, DC $225,000.00
May 16, 2013 Itau BBA USA Securities New York, NY $225,000.00
May 14, 2013 Apollo Management Holdings, LP New York, NY $225,000.00
May 8, 2013 Gap, Inc. San Francisco, CA $225,000.00
April 30, 2013 Fidelity Investments Naples, FL $225,000.00
April 24, 2013 Deutsche Bank Washington, DC $225,000.00
April 24, 2013 National Multi Housing Council Dallas, TX $225,000.00
April 18, 2013 Morgan Stanley Washington, DC $225,000.00

I assume these were all on the weekend and holidays..how is this permissible that someone in government is doing all these speaking engagements and who the hell is paying for her plane fare?
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But hey after looking at all your posts you look like you can objective...just kidding all your posts are trump bashing...that's fine I don't like him either but you really should look at both sides of the coin here..
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posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:30 PM
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He wants to take away "birth right citizenship" doesn't he? (At least for "anchor babies) Well, if that's not the measure of citizenship, then???

Slippery slope? I don't know. He can write Executive Orders but I still think something like that would need HUGE support in Congress (isn't it Amending the Constitution???) I think it would fail at the SCOTUS level as an EO, not to mention cause general rage and calls for impeachment...unless, of course, he is able to put one or two people on the SCOTUS...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!

(Okay. That IS scary now!!)

- AB
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posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: ksiezyc
I like this. There should be an extreme vetting process. As is vetting simply fails.


So what type of things should we vet?

Do you have some examples of what type of questions should be in this ideological test?



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:40 PM
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He wants to take away "birth right citizenship" doesn't he?


Yes he does...that is a whole issue by itself. It's a scary proposition, and one that would be difficult to implement.

Trump said so many radical things in his immigration speech last night, the media hasn't even had enough time to talk about them all.

They are still confused about if his stance is softening or not.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: odzeandennz


When i used to travel to arab countries, we had to abide by their laws and values. If it was a dry country, no alcohol, women had to cover up etc... why are there issues when it comes to our American values?


Should we aspire to be like those Arab countries?

Or should be aspire to be the example of freedom?



You know that saying about having an open mind but not so open that your brains fall on the floor and the dog takes a chunk of it?

It applies to values too.




posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:07 PM
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How come no one ever brings up the quite obvious reason all the Muslims we're so afraid of are angry at us, to the point of being willing to blow themselves up to make a point and take a few others out?

We've been demonizing them since 9-11 and blowing up their children, women and cities. Our politicians never seen to consider the idea of blowback except that it will be good for the war business.

Yeah, there's some crazies on both sides that think they're going to either go to heaven and get a bunch of virgins, or be lionized for 'dying for our freedoms' but justified anger is fueling most of this.

In any event, we won't reach Civilization 1.0 status until we get rid of religion. There is no way an advanced alien race cruising by the planet could look down on things as they are now and consider us anything but barbarians and that includes our wanna-be 'leaders'. Maybe we could just ban their Korans, along with our Bibles. Burn them all except a few copies locked away in a secure location for a few hundred years. I bet a future historian would look at them and be aghast at the idiocy.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:11 PM
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We have that in Australia, its called the citizens test, and as im aware alot of countries have these.

As i see it you have a guy that wants to protect the citizens and a lady that wants to dilute then.

Get off your high horse Hilary.
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posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: SentientCentenarian
How come no one ever brings up the quite obvious reason all the Muslims we're so afraid of are angry at us, to the point of being willing to blow themselves up to make a point and take a few others out?

We've been demonizing them since 9-11 and blowing up their children, women and cities. Our politicians never seen to consider the idea of blowback except that it will be good for the war business.

Yeah, there's some crazies on both sides that think they're going to either go to heaven and get a bunch of virgins, or be lionized for 'dying for our freedoms' but justified anger is fueling most of this.

In any event, we won't reach Civilization 1.0 status until we get rid of religion. There is no way an advanced alien race cruising by the planet could look down on things as they are now and consider us anything but barbarians and that includes our wanna-be 'leaders'. Maybe we could just ban their Korans, along with our Bibles. Burn them all except a few copies locked away in a secure location for a few hundred years. I bet a future historian would look at them and be aghast at the idiocy.


They been attacking everyone for 1400 yrs.

Tripoli was the first country to declare war on the USA.

They don';t need any encouragement or excuses.






posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: muSSang
We have that in Australia, its called the citizens test, and as im aware alot of countries have these.

As i see it you have a guy that wants to protect the citizens and a lady that wants to dilute then.

Get off your high horse Hilary.


We have a citizens test that covers the Constitution.

But this is something different...this is an ideological test.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:24 PM
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It's interesting that there are a lot of people in this thread that seems to support this idea...but no one has even attempt to say what type of questions should be on this ideological test.

Anyone confident enough to let us know your thoughts?



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