camps for citizen/Ascrofts visions

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In this article it exposes the Attorney Generals goals toward camps. It fails to mention they are already waiting to be used, but the article is still interesting, and no real media coverage. here is the link
www.latimes.com/la-oe-turley14aug14.story

I read the same editiorial on Sunday. I find it disturbing that this particular issue is not getting ALOT more press. This is a blantant attempt by Ashcroft to circumvent the Constitutional right of Habeas Corpus.
Welcome to the 21st century.

Those proposals seem akin to the UK's attempts to bring throught the RIPA act, that would essentially strip us of many rights... including the rights to protest and trial...

something is very wrong in this world.

Rights are being taken away left and right but nobody ever does anything about it. People seem to give away their rights freely for the promise of protection.

Privacy fear over plan to store
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www.guardian.co.uk...

www.guardian.co.uk...



Full text at the hrefs above. Highlights:

* EU governments will next month decide a proposal to store ALL
traffic data for EU-ended comms for between one and two YEARS

* This traffic data would be available to all EU govts.

* Plan leaked to Statewatch
www.statewatch.org...

* Move initially explained as anti-"terrorism", now to be used
against all serious crime, including paedophilia and racism.
(quoting the Grauniad)

* Decision a victory for Britain and the US, against more liberal
EU regimes. EU-wide policy will be harmonized by this proposal

* EU admits plan an invasion of privacy but specifies retention
periods as minimum 12 months, maximum 24 months.

* Minimum list of offences:
"participation in a criminal organisation, terrorism, trafficking
in human beings, sexual exploitation of children", drug
trafficking, money laundering, fraud, racism, hijacking,
"computer-related" crime and "motor vehicle crime".

* "Confidentiality and integrity" of retained traddic data must
be "ensured", by methods unspecified.

* No individual right to check accuracy of data. No individual
right to challenge decisions on its use by EU authorities.

* Member states will not be able to refuse a request from another
Member state on the grounds of Human Rights or Privacy.

* No common EU list of crimes caught by the plan. No list of
agencies who would have access.

The only silver linings:

* EU plan suggests traffic data should only be accessible with
judicial oversight. This might mean we have to amend RIP.
Doubtless, Britain isn't gonna like this provision, irrespective
of any affect on existing statute.

* Elizabeth France (Information Commissioner, the title that used
to be the Data Protection Commissioner) has casted doubt on the
legality (under the HRA) of the ATCSA rushed thru Westminster
post 9/11.


bye bye,
privacy,
privacy bye bye..

I am off to live in a cave

[Edited on 20-8-2002 by phait]

Good post phiat: The people of Britain are getting nervous, I been reading the Guardian also, and its here and getting worse, and as others have said , our rights are getting takedn alot now, There is only one way to stop this, but alas we as a people will not unite, but when they start inforceing the new laws, detaining us, railroading us, we will still be unable to unite, because until it is so overwhelming, intellegetnt people ( The majority) will not see it. To say the least I am scared of these actions, yet nothing I can do. Lets hope things dont go straight to Hell, but I believe we are already headed there, and gaining speed.

COUNTERPOINT....

I'm familiar with forced... living-in-camps,
our whole family was in several during
the 1945-1950 period

DPO (displaced person organization) CAMPS.
camp Bucherrstrasse, in pegnitz, was a
nostalgic place for me---great community spirit,
sharing food & such, as we all were in horrid
(by today's standards) conditions...

***but we're still a few events away from that
type of scenario***
The NWO, current Administration w/fed reserve-
are only into the 'Region Phase' of the plan.
--->we'll have to experience the market collapse &
home mortgage foreclosures en-masse for the
public camps to spring up

And people laugh when I say Bush's cabinet members are worse than he is! This is beyond fearful. Ahcroft i would have to say, is the worlds scariest man, with Rumsfeld one point behind.

Even saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, Hitler, and Stalin all combined dont scare me as much as Asscroft does.

life as then as now is still a beautifull blessed thing its just sad others take advantage of those who feel that way. 1 love man be safe. sorry to hear about another being forced to go through those atrocities. keep the faith withinones self and for the greatness that is.: