Indian Government: Secret US Weapons “Real Cause Of Global Warming”

originally posted by: Konduit
HAARP and other similar facilities operate Ionospheric Heaters. They literally heat up the particles in the Ionosphere above the earth... so these claims might not be too far fetched.

For the ignorant. Let's see...3.6MW into the entire Earth, carry the zero, nope, not seeing it.

originally posted by: AnonymousTi
Might be possible to "bounce/reflect" the beam off different parts of the atmosphere too. Especially if that is one of the reasons they are spraying metal particulates into the air via "chem-trails"

Except it would take every airplane on earth to 'carry metal particulates into the air', and then some.

And sad to say, 'metal particulates' don't have a lot of effect on radio waves. Too small by tens of orders of magnitude.

And the maths sort of limit your beam swing. So, yeah, different parts of the atmosphere, IF HAARP was online, would mean +/- 15 degrees for one antenna, +/- 30 for the other. If you're lucky. A pretty small patch of sky.

originally posted by: Box of Rain

It would not surprise me one bit if there was clandestine defense research or weaponry research being done at HAARP.

The AF and Navy were paying for it. Of COURSE there was some clandestine research. Mostly into C3I. Both on the interdiction and assurance sides. But some other neat stuff, too. None of which were global warming related. Come on, guys, 3.6MW is a lot for cooking a side of beef, but not very much warming a cubic mile of atmo.

originally posted by: Darkmadness
My only question is... by researching these ideas are we giving power to their manifestation in reality?

Yes..........Well I at least believe that the human, and the human mind have the power to manifest thought into reality eventually creating anything within our capability of imagining. Sort of a self fulfilling prophesy.

originally posted by: makemap
a reply to: Box of Rain

That is the joke. The Jokers says it is shutdown

Yes.

, end up relocating elsewhere.

I suppose space is elsewhere.

Even citizens of US are forbidden access.

You're forbidden access to Fedex, too, doesn't mean they're cooking up global warming devices. It's a research facility. You are a distraction.

They said MK ultra was finished. Yet, It never did. Just didn't happen in full scale yet. Only on US pop right now and it is working great.

Pfft. The end result works great, if you don't mind some burns and a bit of temporary brain damage.

originally posted by: darkstar57
a reply to: KandinskyHAARP is a phased array transmitter, meaning it is a steerable beam, at least 45 degrees cone above.

The high band antenna gets you one angle, the low band another. The best it can manage is 60 degrees total.

Now the range is debatable, depending on the frequency.

The range is the ionosphere. Then you get bounces, but the signal strength is down to microwatts per square meter on the first bounce

the ionosphere creates a tunnel around the earth, and the right freq and angle allows illuminating the ionosphere anywhere in the world.

Nope. Just over the facility. The rest is reflections, at very VERY low power density.

originally posted by: Darkmadness
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

"No".

Hmm ok.

That answer seems rather simplistic.

But totally accurate, and complete.

originally posted by: seventhinline
...and the human mind have the power to manifest thought into reality eventually creating anything within our capability of imagining. Sort of a self fulfilling prophesy.

I'm thinking of Hillary's head on a hippo. Nope, got nothing.

6 flags....sub this thread for sure.....

Wow 31 flags for this thread...amazing.

I guess as long as you say HAARP and controlling the weather it gets all conspiracy sounding until one actually learns what HAARP is really about.

I guess the truth doesn't get the tinfoil hats all excited as it does with bs.

No doubt they've pumped money into researching methods to manipulate the weather.

A country like the US. It would be naive to think they haven't.

How successful they've been is a whole nother question. Personally I would be surprised if they hadn't gotten results at this point.

a reply to: vinifalou

Message to India = you are abit late with this , its common knowledge for many years. Its best you keep quiet otherwise the USA will find away to destroy your country too.

Love and peace to India from the UK

Ah, yes, India, the country where environmental policy is at best as advanced as it was in the US when our rivers actually burned, knows for certain who is to blame for their environmental woes!

I hope he's wearing his tinfoil headgear.

Because that's a lot of conspiracy there.

Interesting that India has open sewers and a lack of toilets, dump partially burned bodies into their main sewer (the River Gangees) and cannot handle drought and flooding year on year, have the third highest pollution output and yet still have a Space program and large military budget with a mouth to suggest other countries should listen to them.

Sort your own house out before throwing stones at others, India is a disgrace of racism, rape and real poverty, shame on you.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

If HAARP is now defunct you better believe its big brother is probobly operational in another undisclosed area.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
No doubt they've pumped money into researching methods to manipulate the weather

Oh, I'm sure they have, but not with HAARP.

originally posted by: darkstar57
a reply to: KandinskyHAARP is a phased array transmitter, meaning it is a steerable beam, at least 45 degrees cone above. Steering is done by the triggering sequence of the discreet antennas. Also, there is one in Tromso, Norway, and the concurrent web site has really good technical explanations. Now the range is debatable, depending on the frequency. the ionosphere creates a tunnel around the earth, and the right freq and angle allows illuminating the ionosphere anywhere in the world. nothing magic, here, go read the ARRL handbook.

point is they are messing with things that could have major repercussions that are much worse than whatever reason they made harp to begin with. Who in the phuuck decided we should put resources into it? what was the goal and why is it shut down?

A pretty small patch of sky.

wtf ok a SMALL patch of sky whatever. what the hell were they doing it for? if it was so ineffectual to even notice then why did we put money into it and was it worth it? what did it do for us?

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
point is they are messing with things that could have major repercussions that are much worse than whatever reason they made harp to begin with.

How do you envision that? You DO understand that our local fusion reactor, Sol, pumps billions of megaWatts of energy into the ionosphere on the day side, right? That's why there IS an ionosphere. A couple megawatts over on the night side isn't going to be diddley compared to natural processes that happen every day. It's pretty tough to see how you get 'major repercussions' from that.

Who in the phuuck decided we should put resources into it?

The Gubmint. Grant you, they were convinced by a few different people, mainly Dr P. There weren't any US facilities for researching the ionosphere, magnetosphere or radio propagation to speak of. So, Dr Papadopoulos got a bunch of guys together and went searching for funding. Ted Stevens got them some startup funding, they pitched a pretty picture of C3I and communications to the AF, and spiced it up with Helliwell's work at Siple writ larger. And thus did you eventually get about 300 million in funding. It's a pretty standard idea-to-implementation story with the gubmint, if you've ever been in a new project development with them.

what was the goal and why is it shut down?

There were many goals. One, pure atmo research. Lots of plasma physics that's bleeding edge, and HAARP lets you test ideas. The ionosphere and inner magnetosphere aren't well understood. There were quite a few research papers that are in open lit. Thousands, I think.

Two, the military had a lot of interests in the results of the studies and in some ideas of their own. Like ducting, sporadic-E, building signal mirrors to bounce radio signals over the horizon, also for listening over the horizon, or interdicting enemy communication with space based assets. You can do other things that are still classified *coff*SAR interdiction*coff*. They also extended Helliwell's work to figure out how to clean out the inner magnetosphere area of stray electrons after a GRB, HAND etc, which was very useful, and the often mentioned sub communication thing, although we don't do it that way anymore. You could also use HAARP to produce magneto-telluric currents on demand, at least when Gakona was on the night side, and that can be useful if you can't wait for sunup or a thunderstorm.

eta: as far as 'why is it shut down', that's also a multi-faceted issue. HAARP is the most powerful but not the most flexible ionospheric research facility in existence. Tromso/EISCAT is a better place overall, if not nearly as powerful. When the AF/Navy were running it, use of the place for civilians was pretty much free, as long as they got the data first. More or less. The military had hit most of their research points for now, and a lot of the 'bigger' functions had in fact been moved off, in chunks. There's an unmentioned facility for ducting and mirroring, another for SAR, there is a 'dark' satellite constellation in LEO that deals with inner magnetospheric contamination (*coff*as well as SAR*coff) etc. So there's not a 'secret HAARP', there are a lot of secret fragments, by function. Towards the end, the EPA was less than happy with HAARP's generator facility. Copper Valley Electric didn't have the spare generation capacity to move that offsite. Faced with having to replace or heavily modify the generators, at a huge expense, they decided to pull out and DRMO the entire thing. UAF bought it for pennies on the dollar, but they have to charge for the use of the site, and so far (afaik) have not gotten many bites. And it costs money to keep the place running, even if you're not using it. At least if you want it to be able to be used when you decide to.

EISCAT is doing a big upgrade, too.