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The Wall and Deportations, Something we arent Asking and They aren't Addressing

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posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:07 AM
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Since I drive a lot at night, and have limited radio stations to listen too, I tend to tune into NPR just to have some talk radio.

While listening this morning to one of the shows going on about Trumps visit to Mexico and his Speech after he got back, it left me wondering about a few things that I really haven't seen being addressed.

From what I gathered from his speech, there are apparently 11 million illegals here. Seems he wants to track them all down and deport them all. Then have them start over to come back with the actual laws in place. I think I heard mention that he wanted to build the wall first though to stop the mad rush right back across.

Hmm ok. Lets just say he does magically get the wall built over night and now it is time to round up 11 million people to move back across the border. Even if it is half the count or only 5 million, what kind of man power is going to be required to do this? Not only that, just exactly how are you going to send them all back, and most importantly, On Whos Dime???

Even if you sent busloads back across the border 24/7 you wouldn't make a dent in the 5 million count, much less 11 million. I'm pretty sure we all know bus tickets arent a $1.00 fare.

Not to mention that not all of these folks are going to be going back to Mexico. Many will be required to go over seas and that means flying or shipping. Even more costly.

The logistics of this whole idea is really just mindboggling when you give it just some simple thought. Now add some complicated thought.
I haven't even mentioned the fact that they will probably need to be housed somewhere while waiting to be sent back, and of course they will have to eat. Probably need medical, at least a percentage of the people I'm guessing.

Even just these things are just the tip of the iceberg of what would truly be needed to get this accomplished and when you take on the fact that even it is accomplished for at least a hand full of the 11 million figure, we are talking about a huge tab. I'm pretty sure it will be We The People Stuck with this tab too.

The only plus I really see is some job creation, but even then you still have to pay for the labor force. Is this going to fall under a Federal Responsibility or a State?

Even if Trump gets elected and this gets put into play, he will be out of office long before this is barely off the ground when you think about the actual numbers, and this is pretending that the wall was built over night. How long or how many years would it take to build these many miles of wall anyway?

Sure this is really a bridge WE can afford to cross?

While I'm here, how much is this wall going to cost us? What company has their finger in that pie for the job? That sounds like a follow the money waiting to happen too...

So, now what do you folks think about all this with a little more on the board to be considered?

Before some of you go crazy, this isn't a bash Trump idea thread, this is just a seriously concerned citizen curious as to just exactly how all this will actually work and what price will be extolled upon all of us when all is said and done.




posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:11 AM
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Don't worry, they'll privatize this and make money somehow doing this. Just like the prison system



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:15 AM
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To your point about bussing people out. We are already doing it on our own dime. Last I checked we deported something like 500,000 people last year. So it can be done.


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posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:16 AM
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I can fix the illegal issue much cheaper. No wall needed.
Just make it illegal to hire them. Anybody employing someone without the proper paperwork is fined $10k.
Get caught twice, 5 years in prison.
Shouldn't take much to iron out the details.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

That only works for the ones coming here to work. But for that it works well. Still need the rest though for the cartels and their mules. Unless we end the war on drugs but like that's gonna happen.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:24 AM
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It may not take hiring a massive immigration enforcement team, just let the guys who are already ICE, actually enforce the current laws. Do away with sanctuary cities and stop the "catch and release" program. There are almost 30,00 illegals in prison now. When their sentences are up, deport them and if they're caught back in the U.S.. automatic 5 years. Heavy fines for any company caught hiring illegals. Say, $25,000 for each one they employ.
We are not going to stop illegal immigration, till the risks far outweigh the rewards.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: onehuman

It's like David Icke with the reptilians, it's just a metaphor for Trumps madness.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: onehuman

Trump is catering to simple minds. These supporters like what they hear but don't contemplate the enormous undertaking and costs of the project let alone expecting a poor country like Mexico to come up with over 10 billion dollars to pay for it! It's one thing to be sick and tired of the political establishment, it's another thing to blindly support a candidate who's ideas are so far fetched and his rhetoric is divisive and dangerous.

We've come to a point in this country where voters are so mad it's interfering with any common sense. Some voters just want to ignore common sense and just want to stick it to the political establishment. However in the end, those same simple minded and angry voters may end up sticking it to themselves! We'll all pay for it in the long run and the political establishment will solidify their base because they'll remind voters "we told you so!"



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:06 AM
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People don't seem to want to ask those questions.
You are correct about that! The answers take away from that feel good America First message, and might soften people's resolve to "throw them out!"

Look up "Deportation Centers" if you want another 'follow the money' glimpse at what this looks like. It ain't pretty. Looking at that might engender compassion in at least some people... I don't know.

As to the wall, there are serious immenent domain issues with that, as well as Border communities that really don't want a giant ugly wall where there was once a river front shopping district.

The logistics go way beyond a high rise or a golf course.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
I can fix the illegal issue much cheaper. No wall needed.
Just make it illegal to hire them. Anybody employing someone without the proper paperwork is fined $10k.
Get caught twice, 5 years in prison.
Shouldn't take much to iron out the details.


It is illegal to hire them. This law has as much effect as the law against jay walking.

Are people really this naive?
edit on 1-9-2016 by pl3bscheese because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: pl3bscheese


Bwwahahahaha!
One minute I here that they are just here to work, and now you're telling me they can't work..
Enforce the damn laws then!



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

Nope. I didn't say that, but if you're incapable of reading between the lines then that's on you.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:25 AM
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Yeah, but he doesn't actually intend to do anything about illegal immigrants. He's just saying he will with all this sturm and drang because his cultists lap it up.

Trump has no intention of doing any of the things he says he'll do, he's just saying it to try and get elected.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: onehuman

Well his math is just as sketchy as his history knowledge which is rivaled by his geographic knowledge so it's hard to say but I think he's going to pay for all of that by reducing taxes.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:37 AM
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99% of the problem is illegals are allowed to attend schools, get drivers licenses, collect benefits and work for business. At least under this administration there is little to zero chance of any legal action being enforced on them.

If they could not do any of the above, they wouldn't be here living a much more comfortable lifestyle than in their mother country.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

It's already illegal to hire them.
Doesn't stop people.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Like I said, enforce the law.
Big fines the first time, prison the second.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: pl3bscheese

The police ticket for Jay walking in my city. All the time.
Just sayin.

Yes it's already illegal. It's also illegal to hire someone off the books and not collect taxes but small businesses do it all the time.
Everybody looks to add to their bottom line in any way they think they can get away with. So hiring illegals who will do the same work for less money is very attractive. Yes hit their bottom line with fines. If you catch them. That takes money.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Sillyolme

Like I said, enforce the law.
Big fines the first time, prison the second.


Then orange juice will be $12 a gallon. Do you want this job?




posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 10:00 AM
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Nothing is going to happen overnight. If Trump wins, it will take a year at least to construct it, probably two more to finalize all the details. Deporting citizens will do no good without a wall of some kind in place. It's too much like herding cats.

1st priority: start construction on the wall and deport criminal elements.
2nd priority: drastically enhance border security while the wall is being built.
3rd priority: address illegal aliens already here.

I'll be honest here: I am hearing what I wanted to hear. Trump established an overall goal with the wall. Now he's establishing via goals to accomplish it. The next step will be to break those goals down even farther, although there's a limit on how much of that he can do without sitting in the big chair. He will at some point need access to detailed information on the logistics of what he wants to accomplish. There are some areas where an actual wall just isn't feasible; those gaps will need extreme security measures. There are others where nature has already provided a wall for us; there all we need is increased surveillance to make sure it stays a natural wall. All these details will have to be addressed during the planning stage, and goals adjusted accordingly.

This is how goals work, and what separates the doers from the talkers.

TheRedneck



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