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originally posted by: glend
a reply to: dingdongdoodah
If you look long term climate history of uk you will find decades of unusual hot temperatures followed by unusual cold spells to widespread floods across england. all before CO2 from industrial age increased (IPCC says 1750). here
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DupontDeux
First, human civilization has only been around for about 6000 years. Human civilization will fall before we go extinct. Do you not find the end of human civilization to be alarming in anyways? Oh just because the Earth will go on, all is fine. Then we can continue to gas ourselves to death right?
originally posted by: fleabit
While hard science can say with 100% certainty that the warming is due to the industrial rise of humans, I think there is plenty enough evidence to suggest it's a very possible reality. And not then planning or changing to correct that is stupidity.
The odds that we are just hitting a "climb in temperature" just now? In the 100-ish or so years of industrial revolution? It can occur every few hundred thousand years.. and we are just coincidentally hitting it now? While possible.. again, it's monumentally irresponsible to just assume that man has nothing to do with it, and carry on as we always have and hope for the best.
Such is mankind though.. just ignore the obvious until we are already neck deep and then we try to bail out and hope for the best.
originally posted by: DupontDeux
Well that's a mighty short timespan.
(the period covers the last 0.00000002% of the Earth's existence.)
Also, it means that it is not unprecedented. What happened following the other times it rose at this pace? For how long should the pace continue to be unprecedented?
originally posted by: markosity1973
Oceans are rising. Most of the world's biggest cities are located on seaboards or rivers (shipping ports) Hurricane Katrina's devastation in New Orleans will become a regular occurence in cities around the world.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: gmoneystunt
a reply to: Krazysh0t
What do you suggest we do about it? Do you think this is a permanent trend?
It could be a permanent trend. And with the way things are going, it probably will be...
As for what to do. The first thing we need to do is get the majority of people on board with fixing this issue instead of arguing amongst ourselves whether it is real or not. Then we can have as many brains as possible thinking about solutions.
I can say for a fact that whatever IS to be done isn't going to be fun and will probably make a lot of people upset because it will ruin their comfort levels, but something needs to be done soon.
originally posted by: smurfy
originally posted by: TheRedneck
That does not mean the 'true value' is the median of that range. It means the 'true value' exists somewhere in that range. We could have actually cooled slightly (although I doubt that). In other words, this is just another scare tactic based on spinning statistical data.
It's the data that is the problem, I do not believe for one minute that the raw data itself is any more truthful than the man in the Moon, never mind all the manipulations and algorithms that are shoved into Schmidts models.
Take a look at these two samples, the first one classed as best sited, in California and in place for over a hundred years with little environmental change,
Just look at the differences in the visual settings, how the second picture is obviously now in an unsuitable environment....then compare their graphs over the last 90-100years. The Californian one has actually decreased markedly in temp readings, while the Marysville one below, classed as poor, or very poor has increased quite dramatically.
I don't care what anyone says, there's no fancy computer algorithm that can sort out those two to get even a smidging of a mean, never mind any parameter of true.
originally posted by: Greven
Do you disagree with spectral analysis of the atmosphere showing CO2 absorbing some bands of radiation?
Do you disagree that humans are emitting vast quantities of CO2?
Do you disagree with the Stefan–Boltzmann law?
If you accept these three things, then you must accept that warming at the surface will happen with an increase in CO2, and we're to blame for that happening. Bickering over temperature measurements is a distraction.
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Greven
The warming period is ending...and YOU?
Ural: snow causing the tree line to rise.
Climate change does not only mean that the temperature is increasing, it can also change the precipitation patterns. In the Ural Mountains of Russia significantly more snow is falling in the wintertime than 100 years ago. The development is having surprising consequences: The bigger amounts of snow is causing the tree line to rise.
In the summertime in the Urals its has not gotten notably warmer over the past 100 years. The wintertime temperatures, however, have increased from minus 18°C to minus 16°C. Warmer low pressure systems are bringing more precipitation to the mountains. In the Urals today twice as much snow is falling than 100 years ago. And that is having an impact on the treeline.”
According to the DLF, a team of German and Russian scientists say the tree line is currently rising at a rate of about 4 to 6 meters per decade.
The scientists believe that the doubled snowfall serves to protect young saplings during the winter and allow soil conditions that foster growth during the summer time. Photos of the region has allowed the scientists to determine treelines that today are up to 60 meters higher than 100 years ago.