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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Except HE managed to do so while breaking and changing quite a few of said "laws"
makes you wonder eh?
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Except HE managed to do so while breaking and changing quite a few of said "laws"
makes you wonder eh?
The only things He broke were their rabbinical teachings and traditions they were teaching the people. They were just that, rabbinical teachings and traditions, not the Torah. See Mark chapter 7.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: ChesterJohn
You should know this of me by now my friend...
4 books... thats all you need
And not everything in those books are legit in my opinion
Virtually everything in those 4 books is old covenant teachings to Jews. What am I supposed to do then as a new covenant gentile?
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Taxiarch
Prove he isn't real.
The fact that you and others speak of him is proof enough wouldn't you say?
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Except HE managed to do so while breaking and changing quite a few of said "laws"
makes you wonder eh?
The only things He broke were their rabbinical teachings and traditions they were teaching the people. They were just that, rabbinical teachings and traditions, not the Torah. See Mark chapter 7.
originally posted by: Akragon
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Except HE managed to do so while breaking and changing quite a few of said "laws"
makes you wonder eh?
The only things He broke were their rabbinical teachings and traditions they were teaching the people. They were just that, rabbinical teachings and traditions, not the Torah. See Mark chapter 7.
Well no... He totally broke rules in the Torah
I was going to say more but this guy beat me to it... though he only gave a few examples... one break is all thats needed remember?
In the Jesus story, disciples are harvesting grain and threshing it by hand on the Sabbath.
Make disciples of all nations."
Does that sound like the teachings of the Gospels was meant just for Jews? The Gospels were written for a Greco Roman audience and in Greek.
You'll have to provide verses to show me that, I only remember them walking through a field and picking some to consume. That's not working the fields.
Luke 6:1 Now it came to pass on a sabbath, that he was going through the grainfields; and his disciples plucked the ears, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
originally posted by: Akragon
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Except HE managed to do so while breaking and changing quite a few of said "laws"
makes you wonder eh?
The only things He broke were their rabbinical teachings and traditions they were teaching the people. They were just that, rabbinical teachings and traditions, not the Torah. See Mark chapter 7.
Well no... He totally broke rules in the Torah
I was going to say more but this guy beat me to it... though he only gave a few examples... one break is all thats needed remember?
Tell me what laws of the Torah Jesus broke, the only thing mentioned so far was Him breaking Rabbinical rules. Which was my point, He rejected the doctrine of the Pharisees, they elevated their rabbinical laws and traditions over the Torah.
Mark 7:5-9
5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”
6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Joecroft
I actually excluded that one because im unsure if that was torah law...
I don't seem to recall, but i haven't read the OT books in quite a while
That might be one of the things NuT was talking about.... traditions as opposed to laws
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: NOTurTypical
You'll have to provide verses to show me that, I only remember them walking through a field and picking some to consume. That's not working the fields.
Luke 6:1 Now it came to pass on a sabbath, that he was going through the grainfields; and his disciples plucked the ears, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
Plucking ears = harvesting
rubbing in hands = threshing
Consider the mythic precedent of Exodus 16 with the manna. It just wasn't there to be picked up on the Sabbath. If picking up and eating without cooking was okay, then prohibition of cooking would have been sufficient and the manna could have been there for raw consumption.