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originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: Raggedyman
People like Hinn.. man they are in a category of their own, am I right?!
That TBN crowd... sheesh.
We have nothing older than 400 AD regarding the New Testament, which makes it impossible to prove either way but we do have the "Church Fathers" and they portray a very different Paul than the bully we read about in the New Testament.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
Cant just call yourself a christian, believe in God and be a christian....
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins." -Colossians 1:14
Hebrews 9:22, "...without shedding of blood is no remission. (forgivness )"
“Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."
-1st Peter 1:18,19
...and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1st John 1:7).
If you love me, you will keep my commandments. ~ John 14:15
Christians in Hell
The two angels escorted me to Hell. I then saw many pastors, elders, and deacons in Hell. I asked the angel, “I know them. They had served God faithfully while on the Earth. They had died some time ago. We all had thought they were in Heaven with God. But now, I see them all in Hell and they are crying out that it is so hot! Why are they here?” There were so many pastors, elders, deacons and all other lay believers.
The angel answered, “Pastor Park Yong Gyu, a person can appear to be a true follower of Christ on the outside but God knows the heart.
There are multitudes of churches on the Earth and many of the churches are filled with many people. However, most of them are not true Christians. They are but church attendants. The true churches will firmly believe in Heaven and a Hell. The lives of many Christians are in chaos because they do not firmly believe in Heaven and Hell. When one soul enters Heaven, one thousand cursed souls enter Hell. The rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.” (Matt 7:14)
Heaven & Hell 1000 to 1
On August 3, 1979, Howard Pittman, a Baptist minister for 35 years, died while on the operating table during surgery and had a near-death experience.
Instead of allowing me to enter, the angel stationed me before the Gates, slightly to one side. He instructed me to stay there and watch as the saints were permitted to enter into Heaven. This point was so important that the Holy Spirit told me Himself. I watched the fifty saints enter Heaven, but the point I missed was the time frame involved.
It was explained to me that at the same time those fifty saints died on Earth, 1,950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven. That other 1,950 were not there. Where were they? That was only 2 ½ percent going to Heaven! Ninety seven point five percent did not make it! Is that representative of the entire world today? If so, 97 ½ percent of the population of this world today is not ready to meet God. Placebo by Howard Pittman
Bishop Wilfred Lai is the founder and senior Pastor of Jesus Celebration Center in Mombasa, Kenya and it is a church of over 15,000 members. One day he asked the Lord how many of them were ready for heaven and the Lord told him only 200. Only 1% of that church is going to heaven! Dr. Lai said that some pastors have created large groups of sinners meeting in the name of God. “What you have are not churches, but large congregations of sinners.”
Message from Pastor Wilfred Lai
originally posted by: Taxiarch
a reply to: NOTurTypical
I don't care about fragments and I meant exactly what I said.
Fragments aren't whole copies, they are incomplete samples at best and can do nothing except prove that a document with similar or some of the same words to the one we have existed. Maybe.
They don't supply the name, author or context and aren't reliable as fragments are much easier to fake than complete manuscripts and the dating is always a guess even with the best scientific tests.
, selfish, self-absorbed and spoiled-brat
The word "murder", incidentally, is emotively inaccurate. In Biblical terms, God is the source and owner of life. It is his property, that is the important point. Murder is defined as the act of stealing his property, without his permission. So it is not logically possible for God to be guilty of murder, any more than it is possible for a man to steal from his own orchard. It is his property, he is entitled to take it whenever he likes. In fact, in principle, he is the ultimate cause of death in general, when he takes back to himself the life he gave in the first place. As I observed in my "Death and the God of life" thread;
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Akragon
Dr. Carsten Thiedie used the latest and most advanced electron microscope and dated one of the p64 pieces to the middle of the 1st century. He determined it was either an original of Mark or the first copy of the original. There is also a fragment found in cave 7 at Qumram and it was closed in 68 AD when the Romans invaded the area.
And even if the 150 AD date is true, (this is very controversial as all new discoveries tend to be), then the comment above that there is "nothing" before 400 AD is still utterly false.