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The real culling of the populice. Carfentanil laced heroin overdoses spread like wildfire

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posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 01:16 AM
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This is the story of how many millions of people in both Canada and the USA (that I'm aware of not sure of other countries) that started as a "mistake" made by a friendly drug company promoting long acting opioids to doctors as a solution for chronic pain. They knew these drugs did not last as long as they were labeled for...the doctors all say they didn't know. Somehow a huge percentage of North America became addicted. Cannot live without type of addiction and this is all kinds of people from every group every demographic you can think of. Next step prescribing doctors exit stage left expect patients to stop taking these various drugs or expect chronic pain suffers to not develop tolerance and need more and begin to turn on their patients. Suddenly your average mom and pops are physically addicted to extreme drugs. Suddenly they are now considered low life junkies over night...drug seekers and these happenings were created by doctors. Some but few suffer through. .. most turn to the street to buy pills, at first, when the money runs out, when the jobs are lost, when the family is ripped apart sometimes heroin is the only answer left. Now the streets are suddenly flooded with carfentanil laced heroin? This is elephant tranquilizer people. One grain touched or enhaled can kill a person. They claim drug dealers are lacing their product with this? Cause drug dealers want to what...kill all their customers? They also claim it's coming from China. Well I say hell no. This is the first wave of population culling and if you are out there, anywhere using heroin to survive you need to find an alternative quick. They won't help you need to help yourself. I'm going to research Kradom and perhaps do a thread about it next. A natural plant from the coffee family that is said to help opiate withdrawal with no respiratory symptoms. Of course it has a bad rep here in North America but in Asia they have used it for centuries. I myself was in a bad car accident years ago did the whole medication thing never got to heroin and somehow kicked my pain meds but I know many not so lucky. Many dead and many still suffering. This right here is the great North American conspiracy and now it feels like they are going in for the kill. They need to help people and treat them. It would be so much easier to just get rid of them wouldn't it?




posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:01 AM
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Remember the Chinese chemical warehouse explosions last year?

www.rt.com...

rt.com/news/340565-china-chemical-warehouse-explosion/



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:04 AM
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This is the first wave of population culling and if you are out there, anywhere using heroin to survive you need to find an alternative quick.

Heroin is not really a viable survival mechanism.
Nice dreams though.

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posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:06 AM
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a reply to: tiredoflooking

Hey tiredofloosking: I am a diagnosed chronic pain patient for over thirty years now. Yeah, I'm an old lady. Have had three back surgeries.

I was once a national athlete, and recovered to the point I competed on a national level after all those surgeries.
Now: about chronic pain, and the dirty little secret of painkillers. Yes, I've done lots of them, and then lived through many years doing onne of them. At one time, I had a surgeon refer me for a morphine bag inserserted in my abdomen, which would have been filled monthly.....

So, I am no stranger to your story. And it's hardly a new story for chronic pain sufferers. Pardon my possible spelling errors, as I am currently without my glasses. However, this is hardly new news. There's always a new spin on it, however. Is it a culling? Absolutely. At least, imho.

Much of what we go through in life is perhaps, induced, to test us, as to how we handle it. Has my chronic pain turned me into a drug addict? Certainly, quite honestly? Has that challenged my ethics and personal integrity? Certainly.
I congratulate and welcome threads like yours and informtion like this, so that folks like me, earlier in their thoes of pain and beginning addiction have the necessary information to understand what awaits them.

So, congrats to you for alerting us all.

Pain is a funny, strange, thing. I invite people who suffer from it daily to research it and its affects on the brain, for that is very important to understand. Chronic pain affects a human beings' brain in profound ways, chainging its chemistry, forever altering it, and therefore, your reactions and emotions to everyday life. People who do not suffer it, do not understand it, including doctors......

I do not blame them, doctors, for the most part. Some of them understand the attendant mechanisms, and some of them don't. Their reactions to their level of understanding vary greatly: prescribing and not prescribing to alleviate the effects.

It's no simple matter. There is prescribing to alleviate, whilst being aware of the chemical differential that takes place in the brain vis a vis depression and literal suppressing of dopamine receptors and their reactions.....
Any good pain specialist will encourage their patients, in other words, while still prescribing to alleviate pain, to actively do things to encourage the natural dopamine receptors to not only produce serotonin, but receive it, like exercise, for instance.... This, in my experience, will stave off addiction to painkillers, even while using them when necessary. But this is a slippery lsope of responsible use of chemicals, when necessary, and once pain rules one's life, this is asking quite a lot, for any of us, being human, will do almost anything to escape the daily cycle of pain and what it does to us. And make no mistake, it forever alters us, our brain, our thought patterns, our behavior, our personality.

Good for you, for bringing attention to the possible political and social applications of what all this means to the populous, at large.
regards,
tetra



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:14 AM
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originally posted by: Phage


This is the first wave of population culling and if you are out there, anywhere using heroin to survive you need to find an alternative quick.

Heroin is not really a viable survival mechanism.
Nice dreams though.


No it's not. But you've missed the overall point of the OP, Phage. Too bad, with such a good mind, that you have so little empathy or understanding of pain and what that suffering leads to, usually.

The whole point, is when people are in enough pain, they aren't really that interested in surviving, and totally lose sight of what that's about.....

This is the point of torture: Given enough pain, people will do or say just about anything to get relief from PAIN......
That's why the "culling aspect" of this induced suffering, perhaps, is worthy of discussion.
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posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:19 AM
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Too bad, with such a good mind, that you have so little empathy or understanding of pain and what that suffering leads to, usually.


You assume much. I, maybe surprisingly, do understand desperation. I also understand that there will always be those who will take advantage of it.

The thing is, opiate (oid) use doesn't really lead anywhere. Legally or otherwise. Use them, and accept the risks.



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:32 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: tetra50



Too bad, with such a good mind, that you have so little empathy or understanding of pain and what that suffering leads to, usually.


You assume much. I, maybe surprisingly, do understand desperation. I also understand that there will always be those who will take advantage of it.

The thing is, opiate (oid) use doesn't really lead anywhere. Legally or otherwise. Use them, and accept the risks.


And live in enough pain, and you will be forever altered and held hostage by it, as well. Although I agree with what you surmise about accepted risk. However, this doesn't address the op's attendant purposefulness of pain and what it drives people to do as a "culling" hazard.

Let me just say this: pain, in enough magnitude, forever alters one's psyche. Surely we can agree upon that, regardless of opioid usage to dull it. Given enough pain, most people will do almost anything to escape that reality.....

This is why torture is both very useful and very useless, all at the same time....
Here's hopint anyone here reading doesn't have personal experience with that.
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posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:40 AM
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a reply to: tiredoflooking

While I certainly understand your view I think you are slightly off. First I want to say I empathize greatly, as I have lost friends and family, I will admit this was not my struggle though I have had mine. The situation needs to be addressed and should be a top priority. The only reason I said I slightly disagree is that this is an issue of a broader spectrum.

My opinion is this is the problem of our system. And while some may know the dangers (pharmaceuticals), the system propagates and rewards what some would call blatant malpractice. If you take time to read, the FDA has been turned into a puppet of sorts of the industry it is intended to regulate. The story goes with many regulatory alphabet agencies. Lobbyists have done an incredible job of molding the environment intended to protect our concept of capitalism.

Once there was a day that capitalism was democracy practiced in the economy. You vote with your dollar, and competition and satisfaction would only let the companies exist if the consumers best interest is implied. Government was separate and ensured an oversight to prevent malpractice. The balance and the lines are blurred. Hard to say who the players, the conductors, and the truly innocent indoctrinated are.

I agree with most of your OP, but I don't think death is wanted. Just profit. The reason I point this out is not to cause argument, again I wanted to point out this is all my opinion, and I may be wrong. But it's harder to convince people they are trying to kill us (in many ways they are and this may very be one of them). But instead show how the money turns our capitalist democracy (republic) into a oligarchy of the such we have and are demonizing other countries for.

All that being said I am sorry for the reason you feel passionately about this. All of us must realize the trust we have when we have the courage to seek out the help of a professional, a doctor. And sometimes the medication we receive butterfly effect a new journey for us.


Cheers, may your pain not be in vain. May your words and experiences be heard by other humans so that we may band together to fix our house that needs it's family to be fixed.



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:42 AM
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Oh but it is to those who need it daily. Our culture has made addiction to opiates a stigma...bad junkies, drug seekers degenerates. In England doctors actually take responsibility for pain patients. Some are actually prescribed heroin and function just fine in society. Ongoing pain drives people crazy I'm not sure what the answer is but I do know that it's not creating millions of drug dependant people who trusted their doctors and were left with no treatment to help return to life with pain now addiction etc. Doctors do not warn patients what's ahead. If one goes out in the street looking to get high and starts with heroin fine, their choice. Not the same when following the advice of a doctor who just dumps them when their addiction spirals out of control. It's not a small problem either but mostly those involved don't want to talk about it or admit they too are suffering...stigma too great.



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:46 AM
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Dope dealers lace and cut drugs all the time. They are also the most likely culprit if they are getting dosages wrong. They aren't 'culling' their clientele, they need them.

In general, heavy drugs themselves are killers, they don't need to be laced with anything to be lethal, either because of overdose or the results of addiction over time, especially heroin.



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:47 AM
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I agree that addiction has been stigmatized, in an of itself. But considering the general mores of western society that is in keeping. The surrender of control (which addiction is, after all) is not often considered a desirable situation.

Should your doctor tell you that you will become physically addicted? Yes. Of course. Should you be aware? Yes. Of course. Should you be aware that what you buy on the street is not ever (ever) going to be what you are being sold? Yes.

Of course.



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 02:59 AM
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Thank you. Not enough ppl are talking about it. I know it has been an age long struggle but something happened with the introduction of some of these new long acting medications. Doctors were told this is the answer! The potential for abuse is less and this will help chronic pain people, which they do I know. But how doctors could believe the potential for abuse was low I find hard to believe. Even if it's true they prescribe so widely for every and any condition...this is epidemic proportions now and it's perfect because those involved don't want to publicly talk about it and anyway who would listen to them? Junkies...drug seekers...depression caused from how these drugs alter your brain makes ppl believe they are the lowest of the low. With so many in this position the only answer would be mass rehab and an entire shift to change the way we see addiction. We could do it...we could use funds from new legalized weed sales. Canada says they will. How many will be dead before this happens from this mysterious appeareance of killer heroin? Will it happen? Highly doubtful. It's a sad slope. I'm glad you have found a way to survive the pain for all these years and are OK. Or as you can be. I understand it very well it's a battle and coming back from brain changes after meds is a battle I know too...opiates and things like Lyrica! ! My neurologist said to me we have no idea what Lyrica does to your brain and in combination WITH opiates hahaha. That was a great response. In any case thanks for your reply and hope you stay as well as possible



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 03:11 AM
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I agree this started with profit these new meds in the late 90s ... but could they have predicted the outcome? It suits big pharma in this case there was a class action law suit but they certainly made more then they paid out. Really they have a whole lot more responsibility but that won't come to light. What's done is done. Sure profit... mass rehab would cost a lot letting some elephant tranquilizer slip into the underground market? It's cheap and hey! Those degenerate heroin users deserve it anyway...they brought it on themselves
just sayin'.



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 03:14 AM
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Seriously? Sure they cut stuff. Where are they getting this stuff? Touching one grain can kill you? They certainly didn't special order the stuff from China. Let's be real. It's either all ready in the heroin they have bought and have to sell to avoid losing money or its somehow being supplied to them. They certainly aren't using it on purpose so WHERE is it coming from??



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 03:19 AM
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They certainly aren't using it on purpose so WHERE is it coming from??
Who isn't? The pushers? Of course they're using it on purpose. It's cheap and plentiful. Gives the users an awesome rush. They'll be back, if they survive. If they don't, the pusher don't care.


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posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 03:21 AM
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Sure buying on the street is a huge risk. My point here is the mass amounts of ppl who have been funneled through our current medical model and are not probably originally drug savvy or street smart. Lots have had to become that way but in any case my point is slipping some elephant tranquilizer into the mix will quickly get rid of a bunch of "problems" the country will no longer have to deal with. Also , just like you say, it's conveniently their fault.



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 03:23 AM
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I don't believe they would. Only because this specific drug is so strong they don't even have the capacity to break it down enough to mix it. It doesn't make sense.



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 03:28 AM
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a reply to: tiredoflooking
Those "problems" have been around for a long time. "Getting rid" of them would never really be a problem. There are poisons other than opiods which would have been used long ago if that were the solution.

You cannot buy heroin with a prescription. You can only buy it on the street. And it never (never) has been what you were being sold. You may blame doctors for much, but don't blame them for that. That is pushers victimizing addicts.



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 03:34 AM
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Yes yes. On the surface this is true. I do blame the doctors for this at this time in history. There is an epidemic and the new face of the "problems" are every face currently. So at this time in history spiking some of the heroin supply will get rid of a lot more people these days. My opinion, of course, but I don't think I'm alone in noticing the mass addiction crisis in our culture right now.



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 03:35 AM
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Addiction has been a problem through societies and generations. There is nothing unique here.

There are and will be addicts and there are and will be those whose enable, or support, or profit from them.

As far as a plot to poison them? No, not really. That option has always been there. Hell, give them even 70% junk and chances are you'll get an OD. It's easy.

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