YES...the Bathroom Discussion Again

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Democracy is a way of government of the people which is ruled by the people. Democracies understand the importance of protecting the rights, cultural identities, social practices, and religious practices of all individuals. In order for the people’s will to govern, a system of majority rule with respect to minority rights has been put into place.

I would think most people would agree with the above statement about how majority and minority is supposed to be handled in the United States of America. So I will pose the following question.

If a minority of the population wishes to use a different restroom than what their sex prescribes, and the majority of the people prefer to have the separation based upon sex and not gender...why is the minority being given the preference?

While I have no problem with a different solution such as a third restroom, etc...the majority of the minority seem to be militantly opposed to anything other than taking what the majority has come to expect away from them. You could also say the same about marriage. The extremists would have it no other way that call it "marriage" even if the definition was identical.

My personal opinion is that this particular segment of the LGBT community simply wants to attempt forced acceptance or in other words "force it down the throats of those opposed". But I'm willing to listen to valid opinions.

PLEASE NOTE: I would LOVE to simply listen to the discussion and then form my own thoughts without this becoming an argument of different views. In other words...I would like each person to simply state their view in as much detail as possible and then step away. There is no reason to argue. I'm just looking for everyone's calm and intelligent positions.

You're assuming your're in the majority.

Or that the majority even give a s#.


What do I care if a former female wants to use the urinal next to me?
I don't.

By the way, "majority rule" is not how it works in the United States.
You are a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

All I have to say on this subject is that before this became news, transgendered where already using public bathrooms, this is a non issue.

Fake outrage for people who have too much time on there hands.

Great! I asked nicely and get two posts that are off topic and argumentative. Can we simply get some opinions instead?

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Great! I asked nicely and get two posts that are off topic and argumentative. Can we simply get some opinions instead?

You asked nicely, but you're often yourself not very nice in debate anyways so I ignored it.

Furthermore you do not dictate how we respond to a thread.


Especially one as specious as this.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

But I do dictate the topic and the topic is as stated...I would like to get opinions and not arguments. Your opinion of me is yours. So is your ability to step away from posting or responding if you don't wish to follow the topic. And besides...two wrongs don't make a right...right?

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

My first post is completely on topic.

It discusses my opinion of the bathroom issue, asks you a question in return and corrects your assumption that "majority rule" is how it works.

And besides...two wrongs don't make a right...right?

No, not really. But when in Rome...

Where's the exit......I walked into the wrong thread.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

My first post is completely on topic.

It discusses my opinion of the bathroom issue, asks you a question in return and corrects your assumption that "majority rule" is how it works.

And besides...two wrongs don't make a right...right?

No, not really. But when in Rome...

Well...if you insist. There is even more information at the link provided:

The concept of majority rule and respect for minority rights is demonstrated in several places in the Constitution. The first three Articles in the Constitution identify how the people will elect representatives into the Congress and how those elected officials will then elect officials into the judicial and executive branches, thus giving direct and indirect representation to the majority. The articles also identify the duties of three separate branches of the government, the legislative, executive, and judicial branches. While each branch has its own duties; they are dependent on each other. It is the duty of the legislative branch to create a law. The judicial branch is responsible for interpreting that law and determining if it if Constitutional or not. The executive branch can veto the law, which then sends the legislative branch back to the drawing board. The above example not only shows how each branch is separate but related, it also shows how the different branches act as a check and balance system for one another. It is through the checks and balances system that the framers ensured that each branch would be fair and efficient.

The Constitution also demonstrates majority rule and respect for minority rights through Article V of the Constitution which explains that the Constitution can be amended in two ways. The first way is through the Congress passing a proposal, with a two-thirds vote, to the states to ratify. The amendment is ratified when approved by three-fourths of the states. The other way is through a national convention. This is where two-thirds of the states petition Congress to propose amendments. The proposal still has to receive a three-fourths vote by the states. This Article allows the people to make changes to the Constitution throughout time as the majority and minority positions change.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

My personal opinion is that this particular segment of the LGBT community simply wants to attempt forced acceptance or in other words "force it down the throats of those opposed". But I'm willing to listen to valid opinions.

and yet only 17 days ago you said this - whats up - you trolling? hahahaha

Which Opinion is Right?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Arguing someone's truth, someone's experience is dumb. How can you tell a person that their experiences hold no merit? How can you correct their (in your opinion) incorrect view? You can't anymore than they can change yours. Yet we argue.

and

But I do believe that opinions are always right. I do believe that one person's belief never holds less weight than another's. I plan to remember this going forward. I hope you do too.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Wait I thought mob rule was bad??

I always get confused when we say it is bad and when it is needed.

The minority still have the rights, now you don't have the right to use a bathroom, but I'm not sure you have the right to tell people which one they can use.

I always use the mensroom when I am at busy place with a queue out the ladies door.
This conversation is boring, and I don't understand anyones obsession with where someone relieves themselves. Its so base.
Gross.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Again...I asked to be allowed to sit back and simply review everyone's opinions. But was instead drug into responding. I still wish to simply read what others have to say about the given question. And I have no goals of changing anything anyone thinks. This was meant to be collecting opinions for my personal review. Nothing more.

If allowed...I'll again take that position of waiting to read what everyone has to say.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Huh strange way to make a thread, you don't want the conversation you just want to see what people have to say?
Sounds kinda like a cop out to presenting your opinion and then not having to address any one who wants to challange it.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

In order for the people’s will to govern, a system of majority rule with respect to minority rights has been put into place.

We don't live under a government that respects majority rule with respect to minority rights. We live in a society that prefers equality over majority rule, when it comes to rights of minorities.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Mentally unstable people defend mentally unstable practices

Don't take offense...crazy is as crazy does

Evolution is not fair, the only way it is is for people to ignore it.

There are several instances in which the concept of majority rule with respect to minority rights has played a significant factor in American government and policy. One example is the case of Plessy v. Ferguson 1896. In this case Homer Plessy, a man who appeared white, but was one-eighth black, was arrested in Louisiana for sitting on the white railroad car and refusing to move to the black railroad car (Zimmerman, 1997). According to Louisiana law, all persons with a black blood line, regardless of how small, were to be considered black and must be segregated from the white people. After being released from prison, Plessy took his case to the US Supreme Court. The court decided that there could be segregation as long as long as it was of equal standards. This case demonstrates the will of the majority to allow for segregation as well as protecting the minority by requiring “equal standards".

The next example of majority rule with respect to minority rights challenges the Plessy v. Ferguson decision in the case of Brown v. Board of Education Topeka, KS 1954. This historic case dismantled the segregation that was allowed in the Plessy case (Brown v. Board of Education). The Brown case involved 13 minority parents and their children who were denied access to a school closer to their home because of segregation laws. The case showed that the separate schools were in fact not equal. The case also showed that the segregation laws were a violation under the Equal Protection Clause. This case demonstrates how the minorities do have a voice, and the majority taking on their responsibility to also protect and serve the minority. This case was also the catalyst for social change in the United States towards the treatment of non-whites, this social change was the beginning of the minority becoming the majority.

Majority rule with respect to minority rights is vital to a democratic government. This process allows for citizens to maintain individual rights while following the direction of the majority. It also allows for the citizens to make changes to the laws as society, the majorities, and the minorities change.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Why are you wanting to legislate people relieving themselves?

Talk about not wanting government overreach, this is the most invasive and disgusting example of it I can think of.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Huh strange way to make a thread, you don't want the conversation you just want to see what people have to say?
Sounds kinda like a cop out to presenting your opinion and then not having to address any one who wants to challange it.

Haven't you ever simply wanted to poll people to hear both sides...or all sides? I think that is a fair position and I only stated my opinion so I was "out in the open" and not hiding anything. I have my beliefs but would like to hear that of others in a non-adversarial setting. I thought I would try this.

If you refuse to let it happen...there is little I can do. I tried.