NASA scientist Dr. Norman Bergrun claims there are giant biological crafts in Saturn´s rings

For those who have no clue about Norman Bergrun's book "Ringmakers of Saturn" it was published in 1986 and is now a collectors item worth thousands of dollars. Kerry Cassidy on a very recent interview with Jordan Maxwell commented that Norm has "disappeared" for a while now and it is rumored he has been taken underground or off planet.

I got the book as a download last year - I do not know if its possible to post it here, seems only pictures can be uploaded but I'm not up on these things. Anyone interested can get all 200 pages of it as a torrent. It is HIGHLY recommended that you read the book from the beginning to truly understand what he is saying and why. I'm fine to upload what I have if someone can explain how to do it

As for that old "writing books is just to make money" meme - do some research instead of arm chair criticizing. Let's see you put in thousands of hours into a topic, hundreds of hours compiling it into pages, putting up your own money to self-publish only to sell a few hundred, maybe a thousand, copies if you're lucky. People do books because they want to share knowledge and need to eat like everybody else. If people shouldn't charge for books then people shouldn't expect getting paid to work at a job either. Ridiculous argument.

originally posted by: charlyv
I have always wondered how these little "moonlets", like Daphnis, could exist in the rings at all.
The ring structure is so perfect, and fragile... All of the dust and ice particles are arranged according to individual density and gravitational influences. How could large bodies like that have a place there?

because they are moving through a plasma not solid matter

www.thunderbolts.info...

originally posted by: bottleslingguy

originally posted by: charlyv
I have always wondered how these little "moonlets", like Daphnis, could exist in the rings at all.
The ring structure is so perfect, and fragile... All of the dust and ice particles are arranged according to individual density and gravitational influences. How could large bodies like that have a place there?

because they are moving through a plasma not solid matter

www.thunderbolts.info...

No, that is not true. Cassini proved the ring particles are made almost entirely of water ice, with a trace component of rocky material of varying density. Your article sites a different effect where a plasma near the surface of Saturn may exist due to charged particles interacting with the magnetic field.

originally posted by: Misterlondon
why would the maker of the video include the sounds of roadworks and cars in the soundtrack.. That is the real mystery here..

Ah, common misconception. The audio track is a NASA recording of the cigar shaped craft reproducing near Saturn. That audio clip has already been banned as pornography in several nearby constellations.

a reply to: Spacespider

This makes me think of Tin Man in Star Trek - TNG and the splendid living ships in Farspace.

Dr. Bergrun is no crazed scientist nor is he a bloke trying to make easy money. He is a genius, and I would take his word on something like this long before I would trust any NASA pronouncement on the findings of Cassini.

a reply to: Spacespider

Really interesting topic and post. I wonder if any of this is true and to be honest I would not be surprised is right in front of our was life and in a large way bigger then we thought. For a DR part of NASA to state something like this, (although he seems to have a book about this) is not exactly in need of money so I would not guess he would make up such a topic for more money.

Interesting. Life being mechanical and biological blend is becoming a common reference I see a lot more these days, it would make sense for advanced craft to be both. Stories I have heard before of scientists working on craft with ''no wires'' as they termed it, back engineering.

a reply to: GoShredAK

Nailed it~! wow indeed! hehe id put 2 cents on that all day everyday per planet lol

a reply to: Kapriti

Indeed. Speculation carries far more weight than evidence.

a reply to: Kapriti

You believe a man that worked for NASA that didn't have the type of pics we get today of Saturn's rings, but you won't believe the people who got the pics he used as his evidence...why?

You dismiss high resolution pics over blurry 20 year old pics...amazing.

I guess some enjoy the blurry version of these...

www.google.com... ygB&biw=360&bih=518

How old is this guy? Didn't he work for the pre-NASA group NACA in the 1950s?

These ships or organic life forms look like what destroyed the Phobos 2 satellite. These could be the mother ships George Adamski wrote about in his books.

Didn't Farscape have living ships?

Farscape Wiki

That was the first thing that popped up in my mind

Interesting I dropped by and offered Norm Bergrun's book in its entirety so people can actually study what he put together, and no-one is remotely interested in looking at the actual SOURCE of this. Sad, sad, sad... As for the question about his age, yes he's very old, probably in his 80's.

a reply to: wishes

originally posted by: wishes
Interesting I dropped by and offered Norm Bergrun's book in its entirety so people can actually study what he put together, and no-one is remotely interested in looking at the actual SOURCE of this. Sad, sad, sad... As for the question about his age, yes he's very old, probably in his 80's.

a reply to: wishes

Did he ever actually work for NASA, or is all this stuff from the Internet?

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: wishes
Interesting I dropped by and offered Norm Bergrun's book in its entirety so people can actually study what he put together, and no-one is remotely interested in looking at the actual SOURCE of this. Sad, sad, sad... As for the question about his age, yes he's very old, probably in his 80's.

a reply to: wishes

Did he ever actually work for NASA, or is all this stuff from the Internet?

I'm surprised you asked the membership since no one here is better qualified to answer your question or know someone(s) who might.

But I found this thread and the OP's opening statement make Bergrun sound like he belongs at NASA!

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Gigantic Alien Craft Photographed By Cassini! NASA’s Cover-Up Blown?
trewth posted on Sep, 15 2007 @ 09:06 AM
dr norman bergrun who wrote the book "ringmakers of saturn" stated in an interview that the largest or longest mothership is 22,500 miles long, which means if you drive your car from one end to the other at 70 mph it will take you almost 2 weeks of non stop driving

also many people surmize that the earths moon was dragged into its current orbit by a similar mothership

a reply to: Spacespider

I agree, there is definitely something around Uranus !

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: wishes
Interesting I dropped by and offered Norm Bergrun's book in its entirety so people can actually study what he put together, and no-one is remotely interested in looking at the actual SOURCE of this. Sad, sad, sad... As for the question about his age, yes he's very old, probably in his 80's.

a reply to: wishes

Did he ever actually work for NASA, or is all this stuff from the Internet?

He never worked for NASA, the very title of this thread is bogus. Bye bye.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: wishes
Interesting I dropped by and offered Norm Bergrun's book in its entirety so people can actually study what he put together, and no-one is remotely interested in looking at the actual SOURCE of this. Sad, sad, sad... As for the question about his age, yes he's very old, probably in his 80's.

a reply to: wishes

Did he ever actually work for NASA, or is all this stuff from the Internet?

He never worked for NASA, the very title of this thread is bogus. Bye bye.

This sounds like a prime example of "The alternative wildly speculative hypothesis that is not supported by the scientific data is SOOOO much more interesting to the non-scientific layman than the boring explanation that is supported by scientific data; therefore those laymen/non-science enthusiasts would be more apt to WANT to believe the alternative wildly speculative alien hypothesis rather than the boring science-supported one."


Personally, I find the gravitational dance between the shepherding moons of Saturn and the rings that help create the seemingly braided and scalloped-shaped rings to be quite interesting. However, some people have a need for it to be "biological spaceships" before their interest is piqued.

originally posted by: wishes
Interesting I dropped by and offered Norm Bergrun's book in its entirety so people can actually study what he put together, and no-one is remotely interested in looking at the actual SOURCE of this. Sad, sad, sad... As for the question about his age, yes he's very old, probably in his 80's.

a reply to: wishes

I see it's available from at least two sources as a pdf for download with a Google search, so getting a copy is easy enough for anyone. Whether its legal or not and permission was given by Bergrun I can't find. Generally its not legal to share scans of copyrighted material as a download, unless the author has given permission. Are you aware of a download that is legal? People are likely not responding as they know that illegal downloads can't be linked on ATS?



This is another discussion from 2007

originally posted by: Blaine91555

...People are likely not responding as they know that illegal downloads can't be linked on ATS?

It's also possible that people are not responding because they recognize the entire premise as ludicrous.

One of these days I need to document Richard Hoagland's contribution to this theme with his 1982-3 era tale of "the THING in the ring". He went over the ghost story one evening around the dinner table at my home in rural Galveston County, lights were low, his voice was hushed, it was a masterful spooky experience.