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Ok, putting Clinton aside, what do you really support in Donald Trump and his campaign for POTUS?

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posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

Do YOU like anything about him otherwise; his platform, his policy positions (what ARE they?), his style, charm, forthrightness? There must be SOMETHING in him to vote FOR...?




posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Donald Trump HAS PROVEN HIS ABILITY to deliver results that generate jobs. As President of the entire country, imagine the wonderful construction, transportation, and modernization projects (and million of jobs) he could bless America and Americans with!


I heard, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard that he stiffed a lot of people and small businesses along the way, by simply refusing to pay them, and that as a direct result, some, who'd already rendered service to Trump's company, had to go out of business. I've also heard that, on more than a few occasions Mr. Trump declared bankruptcy, in one case of a Casino no less (during the Casino boom), while bragging that he'd managed to bag and walk away with many millions and millions of dollars, while leaving a whole host of creditors high and dry. I heard he even had a University, or so-called University with his own name on it, Trump University, that in effect STOLE money from many people who could not afford to lose it, but who trusted in him and his good name and reputation as a very very VERY successful businessman.

As to the infrastructure modernization program, that's something that either of them could do, but there I really like Hillary's idea for a US Infrastructure Bank, which could form P3s or public private partnerships, both domestically and internationally financed, to create massive construction and engineering and development consortiums in collaboration with States, which would be quite capable, since it's underwritten by the US Economy, of turning the 250 billion into trillions and trillions of dollars, and who cares if there's a 50 year lease-back agreement with Chinese investors on a US-based high speed rail corridor or massive bridge or toll road when the idea is to think big and rebuild America for the 21st century.

I'm looking for some substance, not hyperbole, and when you make a statement, you have to be in a position to back it up and to respond to a counter argument.

After all, we're supposed to be debating the issues too, no?

I was just hoping to hear more than a general assumption that might even be the diametric opposite of the reality, if indeed Trump amassed a fortune by ripping many people off along the way, which is no real model of "success" by any true "American" standard except maybe the won that says that he who has the most gold wins no matter what.

edit on 25-8-2016 by AnkhMorpork because: edit



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus
i like the fact that he says he will enforce the laws whereas hillary says she will disregard the laws and unilaterally decide what laws should be enforced, kind of like a king or a dictator.We the people elected representatives to make laws and we expect those laws to be enforced.if the king/queen or dictator gets to decide what laws should be enforced then why are we being taxed to pay the salaries of representatives who make the laws?
The tax payers could save a lot of money by cutting out the middle man, elected representatives who make the laws, and just let the king/queen dictator make the laws without any representation from the people.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

You asked a simple question. I gave a simple answer without referencing Hillary's lack of actual accomplishments. Just following the rules that YOU laid out in the post that started this thread. Do you wish to amend your opening post, AnkhMorpork?



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
a reply to: infolurker

Do YOU like anything about him otherwise; his platform, his policy positions (what ARE they?), his style, charm, forthrightness? There must be SOMETHING in him to vote FOR...?



He has mentioned reasonable health-care that no other candidate has. (Posted pricing, common codes, shop online for the best prices per procedure).

I also believe in "securing" the border as best as possible and I agree with his "freedom of speech and so for his 2nd amendment" comments. National defense

But, he is also a big government progressive, that I do not like but better than Hillary.

Rand Paul was my guy. Cruz or Dr. Carson following.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
a reply to: infolurker

Do YOU like anything about him otherwise; his platform, his policy positions (what ARE they?), his style, charm, forthrightness? There must be SOMETHING in him to vote FOR...?



He has mentioned reasonable health-care that no other candidate has. (Posted pricing, common codes, shop online for the best prices per procedure).

I also believe in "securing" the border as best as possible and I agree with his "freedom of speech and so for his 2nd amendment" comments. National defense

But, he is also a big government progressive, that I do not like but better than Hillary.

Rand Paul was my guy. Cruz or Dr. Carson following.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Donald Trump HAS PROVEN HIS ABILITY to deliver results that generate jobs. As President of the entire country, imagine the wonderful construction, transportation, and modernization projects (and million of jobs) he could bless America and Americans with!


I heard, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard that he stiffed a lot of people and small businesses along the way, by simply refusing to pay them, and that as a direct result, some, who'd already rendered service to Trump's company, had to go out of business. I've already heard that, on more than a few occasions Mr. Trump declared bankruptcy, in one case of a Casino no less (during the Casino boom), while bragging that he'd managed to bad and walk away with many millions and millions of dollars, while leaving a whole host of creditors high and dry. I heard he even had a University, or so-called University with his own name on it, Trump University, that in effect STOLE money from many people who could not afford to lose it, but who trusted in him and his good name and reputation as a very very VERY successful businessman.

As to the modernization program, that's something that either of them could do, but there I really like Hillary's idea for a US Infrastructure Bank, which could form P3s or public private partnerships, both domestically and internationally to create massive construction and engineering and development consortiums which would be quite capable, since it's underwritten by the US Economy, of turning 250 billion into trillions and trillions of dollars, and who cares if there's a 50 year lease back agreement with Chinese investors on a US-based high speed rail corridor or massive bridge or toll road when the idea is to think big and rebuild America for the 21st century.

I'm looking for some substance, not hyperbole, and when you make a statement, you have to be in a position to back it up and to respond to a counter argument.

After all, we're supposed to be debating the issues too, no?

I was just hoping to hear more than a general assumption that might even be the diametric opposite of the reality, if indeed Trump amassed a fortune by ripping many people off along the way, which is no real model of "success".

Heard... heard ... heard.... Proof, links.. something to verify your rhetoric?



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:02 PM
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I do not like trump.

I will be voting against clinton.
I think she can do more harm to my country than trump.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:04 PM
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1. Trump has promised to end Common Core, which was designed to keep certain groups of students from excelling over their classmates, it's designed to make every student equally stupid.

2. Trump has promised to fix our Trade deals, which were designed to redistribute our wealth and jobs to other countries.

3. Trump has promised to curb illegal immigration, which has destroyed entry level job wages

4. Trump has promised to end Obamacare, which has already resulted in an average 30% policy premium increase

5. He's not Hillary



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: Noobarino
1. Trump has promised to end Common Core, which was designed to keep certain groups of students from excelling over their classmates, it's designed to make every student equally stupid.

2. Trump has promised to fix our Trade deals, which were designed to redistribute our wealth and jobs to other countries.

3. Trump has promised to curb illegal immigration, which has destroyed entry level job wages

4. Trump has promised to end Obamacare, which has already resulted in an average 30% policy premium increase

5. He's not Hillary


Trump has made a lot of promises...but has he made public how he would do any of those things?

If he hasn't, how can you support his solution if you don't know what it is?



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

America and all of the failed policies of the Obama (joke of) an administration need to be reversed and killed dead before they can mature into full fledged fascist mix of poverty and death for America, and that isn't going to happen with Hillary, and it is what Trump will do so that is why I support him, plus all the nasty things he says about certain people, I really liked that as well.

Thank you



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:10 PM
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1. He's not a democrat

2. He isn't a corrupt career politician

3. He isn't a member of the Clinton crime family

4. Waco

5. Most important, he isn't Hillary



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

For me it's simple since Trump wants to take a cautious approach regarding Islamic immigrants and shore up the border as opposed to Hillary installing a turnstile with a Welcome to America sign.

I don't know about you but I don't like the look of France or Germany lately and I sure as hell don't want to be run over while enjoying the fireworks with my family.

edit on 25-8-2016 by Nucleardoom because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:14 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

He has given details, the media doesn't show those parts of his speeches

He will defund Common Core
He has given many, many details on how will renegotiate or absolve NAFTA, bring China Trade problems up at the WTO, and Never sign the TPP
Building a wall, and deporting the inner city gangs that police already know very well
He plans to lift the regional restrictions on Insurance companies so they actually have to compete

Have you ever listened to his speeches ?



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Absolutely not one iota of his platform will fly. That guy will not be POTUS and neither will Hillary.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:59 PM
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this thread will be the biggest compilation oxymoron responses ever. the title of the thread will be inversely proportional to the answers.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: extremedeath

Wonderful , all valid reasons






posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: Orionx2
Heard... heard ... heard.... Proof, links.. something to verify your rhetoric?




posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 11:25 PM
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originally posted by: extremedeath
1. He's not a democrat

2. He isn't a corrupt career politician

3. He isn't a member of the Clinton crime family

4. Waco

5. Most important, he isn't Hillary


He isn't, isn't, isn't..

I was asking about what you feel he IS and can do and plans to do and why you would vote FOR him for any reason other than a negative or according to simply what he isn't or what you don't perceive him to be in alignment with, but what IS it about him and his campaign platform which would lead you to believe that he can be trusted to do what's in your own best interest and that of the little guy while representing the very best interests of the United States both at home and abroad?

Do you have any concern whatsoever that he COULD be an absolute disaster waiting to happen? and would you vote FOR him anyway, simply because of what he is NOT, in your view?

Bottom line I'm looking for something substantive about Donald Trump and his entire campaign platform and policy positions that you support and are FOR. I could tell you specifically what I like about the Democratic Platform, and even some of the traits that I think could make Hillary Clinton a great President, in the affirmative and not simply because she's "not Trump".



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 11:28 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
this thread will be the biggest compilation oxymoron responses ever. the title of the thread will be inversely proportional to the answers.

Ha ha! True, but then again, isn't what I'm asking a very simple and straightforward question with an aim to debate the issues and the difference between the two platforms and campaigns, which is not framed solely and exclusively in negative terms?



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