Conspiracy Theorists Invited To Check Out HAARP. Any Takers?

a reply to: jtrenthacker

I'm gonna keep this brief because as the kids say these days 'I can't even.'

Jesse Ventura and Nick Begich Jr must've failed science in high school. I could write a short treatise on the hilarity of these theories.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: jtrenthacker

Not to put any credibility to WIKI-anything...wasnt HAARP closed, moved...gone a couple years ago?

They were a couple of weeks away from turning the DRMO dogs loose on it when UAF popped up with a few million to keep it intact. So far, UAF has not, to my knowledge, done more than basic diagnostics and run a lawn mower around the antenna field. I don't think they've come up with any users yet. But since it went private, I don't have any direct info anymore.

If UAF doesn't come up with some paying users soon, they'll have to sell it off as surplus anyway. You could still get your mitts on a nice D616G or two. Or some of the ancillary equipment.

And I still don't know what UAF intends to do about the basic issue - the generators.

originally posted by: bknapple32

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: bknapple32

Why not the University of Alaska owns it now...unless your saying they are in on the conspiracy that never was?

I just assume theres going to be ( at least) one door with a key entry and a big red light next to it. " Oh sorry, that section isnt on the tour"

Not hard to imagine if youve ever toured a govt facility

It's a really complicated HF transmitter. There's not a SCIF out there. There's also not much you can attach to an HF transmitter you'd want/need to hide.

a reply to: Bedlam

Ive not read too much about the fact there are more than 1 HAARP facility around the world. Im sure though theres is some plan to use them all in conjunction with each other.

For strength? Distance? Multiple applications? Worldwide weathering effects? Dont know.....

Found this article from September of last year from University of Alaska-Fairbanks. Geophysical Institute

Instead of falling to the dozer blade, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program has new life.

In mid-August, U.S. Air Force General Tom Masiello shook hands with UAF's Brian Rogers and Bob McCoy, transferring the powerful upper-atmosphere research facility from the military to the university.

HAARP is a group of high-frequency radio transmitters powered by four diesel tugboat generators and one from a locomotive. The transmitters send a focused beam of radio-wave energy into the aurora zone. There, that energy can stimulate a speck of the electrical sun-Earth connection about 100 miles above our heads.

Why did university higher-ups swing the door back open for the conspiracy theorists? Why not let HAARP go quietly back to boreal forest?

"Even though it's esoteric and hard to understand, it's the best," said Bob McCoy, head of UAF's Geophysical Institute, which now has the keys to the complex, located off mile 11.3 of the Tok Cutoff Road.

The facility is the best tool to study a region above Earth we know little about, McCoy said. Of three such ionospheric heaters in the world — in Norway, Russia and soon-to-be in Puerto Rico — HAARP is the "most powerful and agile of the three," according to Craig Heinselman, director of the facility in Norway.

At an interview in his office on the UAF campus, McCoy said meetings with others in the space physics community convinced him HAARP was worth saving. During a 2013 workshop with potential users who study the shell of ionized plasma that coats the planet from 40 to 600 miles over our heads, researchers said they would use HAARP if the university took it over.

"(With HAARP), it is now possible to conduct controlled experiments, versus simply watching and waiting for the sun to perturb space and attempting to learn from studying its response," Herbert Carlson of Utah State University said at the workshop.

What's to be gained from perturbing space? The ionosphere carries satellite and radio signals that are disturbed during solar storms.

"With heat, we can create a disturbance and watch how quickly it dissipates," said Bill Bristow, a space physicist and the Geophysical Institute's point man on HAARP. "We can generate irregularities to test the effects on satellite to ground radio systems. We don't have to wait for Mother Nature to generate conditions."

Since it opened in 2003 with funding the late Ted Stevens helped secure, HAARP hosted many scientists doing applied research for the military. One such study was using the antenna array to heat a part of the ionosphere that in turn acted as a low frequency antenna that could send an ocean-penetrating signal to a submarine. That ping could tell a submarine captain to surface in order to receive conventional radio communications.

"The military had specific objectives, now we can do more basic science," Bristow said. "It will help us with general ionospheric/thermospheric modeling, like how do ions and neutrons couple in the upper atmosphere?"

HAARP is now open, but the transmitters have been cool since spring of 2014. With the transfer from the military to the university, Bristow and McCoy are now looking for customers — scientists funded to travel to central Alaska on two-week campaigns in which they fire the transmitters for 10 hours each day.

There are no customers yet. But McCoy and Bristow are confident they will be able to pay back a $2 million loan from the University of Alaska statewide office. That money is now keeping the lights on at HAARP and funding other costs of operation.

Bristow said the worst-case scenario is that few or no researchers step forward and they are forced to sell HAARP instruments to recover the loan cost. Best-case: scientists use it, a national entity sponsors the cost of operating HAARP (as NASA does for the institute's Poker Flat Research Range) and "we run it as a research facility indefinitely."

The clock is ticking to repay the loan, said McCoy.

"I've got three years to find customers," he said. "We're sticking our necks out here, but it is the best in the world and somebody spent $300 million to build it."

a reply to: jtrenthacker

ok so what id like to know is the feasibility of the potential scalar implications to this approach to physics.
just the physical implications of transferring energy into the heart of a molecule elsewhere, and the efficacity of wave forms to , say, turn hydrogen gas into plasma.
so haarp as it is , is a submarine communication faciclity with a dose of sigmint, but its always tied in with the theoretical implications of something its not designed to do, though utilising the same basic theoretical presumption?

a reply to: Bedlam

Plenty of people willing to buy tugboat generators. Small villages do not want to pay the shipping costs of new generators from the lower 48. If they are already here, throw them on the train down to Anchortown, throw them on a barge, bingo, bango!

If our dumb@ss governor had any smarts he would invest in vanadium redox flow batteries for non-centrally located communities. But no, he is trying to special session the legislators to buy into a wholly AK owned gas line (*face palm*).

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Bedlam

Ive not read too much about the fact there are more than 1 HAARP facility around the world.

Well, no, that's wrong. There is one HAARP, and it's in Gakona. What there are multiples of are ionosphere heaters, of which HAARP was/is one. When you see your source saying "there's more than one HAARP", you should take that as a sign they don't have a lot of facts to convey to you.

Im sure though theres is some plan to use them all in conjunction with each other.

Not really. There's a lot of sky, and each heater only covers a very small swath. Most of them aren't very big, either.

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: jtrenthacker

ok so what id like to know is the feasibility of the potential scalar implications to this approach to physics.

There aren't any scalar waves, and HAARP wouldn't be able to make you any, anyway, based on what I see about 'scalar cannons' on the wackier net sites.

just the physical implications of transferring energy into the heart of a molecule elsewhere, and the efficacity of wave forms to , say, turn hydrogen gas into plasma.

Easy to turn hydrogen gas into plasma. It's the lowest energy requirement there is of the elements.

so haarp as it is , is a submarine communication faciclity with a dose of sigmint

Nope. It's an ionospheric heater. Part of what you can do with that, located where it is, is to generate ELF to transmit to subs. At least if the electrojet is right and it's local night time. But subs don't use ELF anymore, so that's not relevant.

originally posted by: TEOTWAWKIAIFF
a reply to: Bedlam

Plenty of people willing to buy tugboat generators. Small villages do not want to pay the shipping costs of new generators from the lower 48. If they are already here, throw them on the train down to Anchortown, throw them on a barge, bingo, bango!

If our dumb@ss governor had any smarts he would invest in vanadium redox flow batteries for non-centrally located communities. But no, he is trying to special session the legislators to buy into a wholly AK owned gas line (*face palm*).

The sad part for HAARP is that they weren't up to noise or pollution specs. They were going to have to fix that by scrubbing the exhausts and building some sort of sound control around them (not happening), replace them with a turbine generator of some sort that would make spec (also not happening) or close the place (ding ding). The generator problem is the primary cause for the place closing.

If you're going.

Don't forget your hat.



It's funny. I feel like on the one hand.

Finally they are going to show people how boring this place is and there's nothing there.

And on the other I'm going. OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 It's a trap.



If I was the HAARP team I'd put this there. And tell them. It's worse than you imagined.

a reply to: Bedlam

So that is where "the hum" comes from? Seems like every time I saw the aurora I would hear that hum. So is that how they turned them on?

/*end tourist mode*/

I'd go if I could afford it, because science is super cool yo!

HOWEVER

No way in hell I'm touching the refreshments. Jim Jones taught me better than to ever accept a drink from anyone.

-Alee

a reply to: Bedlam


c/o BING IMAGES

The above is one of many searchable photos online at BING, GOOGLE etc. I cannot atest to the validity, but these were what I was referring to.

Thanks!

a reply to: Bedlam

"There aren't any scalar waves, and HAARP wouldn't be able to make you any, anyway, based on what I see about 'scalar cannons' on the wackier net sites."

wasnt that what i said?
"but its always tied in with the theoretical implications of something its not designed to do, "
also.
"Easy to turn hydrogen gas into plasma"
is it really? you probably want to qualify that, or maybe not.
"Nope. It's an ionospheric heater."
well, thats not quite true is it?
i believe its comms.
"But subs don't use ELF anymore"
but probably still retain that capacity, no?

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

If you were anywhere nearby you couldn't miss it!

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Bedlam

Ive not read too much about the fact there are more than 1 HAARP facility around the world. Im sure though theres is some plan to use them all in conjunction with each other.

For strength? Distance? Multiple applications? Worldwide weathering effects? Dont know.....

This article in New Scientist doesn't appear to show that the Alaska facility has been shut down? Maybe they upgraded nearby?

HAARP plasma cube sats

On the upside, maybe chem trails are obsolete!

a reply to: bknapple32

I just assume theres going to be ( at least) one door with a key entry and a big red light next to it. " Oh sorry, that section isnt on the tour"

Unless they are saying that while you walk by the exit for the antenna array...pretty safe to say they will show you enough to prove they can't do most of what CT say it can.

Not hard to imagine if youve ever toured a govt facility

Except it isn't government owned, so why would it be the same?

a reply to: jtrenthacker

The HAARP facility was closed down as an ongoing government/airforce project in May 2014, custodianship of the site was passed to the University of Alaska Fairbanks in mid-August 2015.

As per the article, the University is holding an open day for the facility (perhaps they want to raise some additional cash to keep the facility financially viable), it has nothing to do with conspiracy theorists.

a reply to: jtrenthacker

The official patent for HAARP (US Patent 4686605) which is available online, says it is capable of "weather modification".

Therefore, it is a blatant lie if they are saying it cannot control the weather.

Btw, remember this?

www.telegraph.co.uk...