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Mandela Effect - Proof From South Africa Of Mandela's First Death

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posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:30 AM
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Many remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 90's. They remember his funeral on TV, the headings in newspapers etc..

Yet our current timeline says he died in 2013.

Most Mandela Effect researchers have seen this video:


Now there is new evidence (or "residue") in a book written and published in South Africa.

The book is from the SACEE; a group that advocates the use of English. They're a registered ‘Public Benefit Organisation’/NPO whose sponsors include major universities.

In one of their official publications from '91, you'll find a clear reference to the date of Mandela's "first" death, as this article explains:


in5d.com...

If you do a Google book search for “Western Cape Branch of the South African Council for English Education, 1990 – South African literature (English)” and then type in “Nelson Mandel died, ” you’ll find the following quote:

… when Nelson Mandela died on the 23rd of July 1991

Please keep in mind that this book was published on October 1st, 1991.

So, here it is, undeniable proof written in black and white, 22 years BEFORE Mandela’s alleged death in 2013.


I can confirm that the text in the book does indeed say that.

This link takes you to Google Books for that book and searches for that text.
books.google.com...

Here is what you'll see:


Link to full size image on ATS

There's not a lot to say on the finding as it speaks for itself... I'm posting it (and this one too) because I've seen a few comments effectively saying "ME's not real because it's not worldwide". ..I beg to differ.


I will say for people responding to this OP:

I don't know what caused the Mandela Effect. I don't advocate a theory.

The ME conversation has gone past faulty memory and common mistakes.

My primary goal is to get evidence to those interested via the OP.

With that said; I assume based on ATS skeptic culture that this thread will fill with jokes, jabs and reasoning based in a general misunderstanding of how the Mandela Effect works. Don't be surprised if I'm not responsive to comments of this nature.





posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: Pearj

Thanks for my morning entertainment OP.

To start, I will say that our timeline is the only timeline you or I are in, or have ever been in.. and unless we have some cosmic forces rip a hole in the fabric of spacetime, that's probably not going to change.

It is Much more plausible that people write and speak erroneous statements and that this ME theory is putting way too much attention into these little errors.

In that clip, Bush saying "Mandela is dead" is being taken completely out of context. There's even an article (from 2007) that discusses Bushes speech here, and how Mandela was "very much alive".





During the press conference, Bush was not talking about the actual Nelson Mandela. He was talking about people like Nelson Mandela and speaking metaphorically. And listening to Bush's entire segment, while not artfully stated, makes it clear that he was not talking about the actual Nelson Mandela.
(from the article I shared)
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posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: Pearj
I can't wait to see what the "nay" sayers have to nay about now. Great find.

Edit: If this is factual and not a mistake, then we aren't passing into other timelines, the program must be changing (with flaws,) otherwise there couldn't be any such fact of him dying at that date, on this world....Hmm.


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posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: donktheclown

The "nay sayers" are pointing out what is painfully obvious, that the "Mandela Effect" is a complete joke and people have too much time on their hands.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: FamCore

How so? What pain? This is an attempt at realizing what is real.

How does a mistake like his dated death happen ?


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posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: Pearj

Wow, stretching a bit with that video.
Bush's words, Mandela's dead, Saddam killed all the Mandelas. In true Bush form, he "articulated" his response poorly. But I suppose that's all you need for proof of ..........//cue scary music///////.....THE MANDELA EFFECT!!!


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posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: donktheclown

So this was a book, apparently written in 1990, that discusses Nelson Mandela dying more than a year later, in 1991? So the authors could see into the future, and incorrectly at that? Interesting premise.

a reply to: Pearj

OP, you are claiming this book was written in October of '91 but I can't seem to find that information anywhere. Everything seems to indicate this was written sometime in 1990, before the 1991 date it claims Mandela even died on.

From the google books link you posted, near the bottom of the page:




Publisher Western Cape Branch of the South African Council for English Education, 1990
(1990 - date of publication)
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posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: Pearj

Taken straight from reddit.


Let's not overstate what this is. There is nothing that indicates that this is a history book, it seems to be a literature book. I found the quote in the book, but I couldn't find a way to read the rest of the page, chapter or book. There's really no way to know what this is until that is done. To me it just looks like a writing assignment of some sort.

Edit: After doing some very basic research I've discovered what this book is. It would have been obvious if it wasn't so obscure and if there was even a single clear image of the cover in the links. Here is the official description from the publishers:

"English Alive is an annual anthology of writing from high schools and secondary colleges in southern Africa (i.e. Grades 8–12). The first edition of English Alive was published in 1967, and it has been published every year since then. Approximately 70 pieces of poetry and prose of all sorts and about anything are selected for publication each year. Brief comments on the pieces are offered by the editor. "

There you have it. It's written by high school students. What I'm curious about is what made someone claim this is a history book.

Edit2: I forgot to mention that the title of the book is "English Alive". What OP believes is the title, "Western Cape Branch of the South African Council for English Education", is just one of the contributors


All I had to do was search 'Nelson Mandela died in 1991' and it was the second link that came up.

Link



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Pearj

Thanks for my morning entertainment OP.

To start, I will say that our timeline is the only timeline you or I are in, or have ever been in.. and unless we have some cosmic forces rip a hole in the fabric of spacetime, that's probably not going to change.

It is Much more plausible that people write and speak erroneous statements and that this ME theory is putting way too much attention into these little errors.

In that clip, Bush saying "Mandela is dead" is being taken completely out of context. There's even an article (from 2007) that discusses Bushes speech here, and how Mandela was "very much alive".

"During the press conference, Bush was not talking about the actual Nelson Mandela. He was talking about people like Nelson Mandela and speaking metaphorically. And listening to Bush's entire segment, while not artfully stated, makes it clear that he was not talking about the actual Nelson Mandela."



Np! To counter:

There are those that say a hole has been torn in the fabric of space time. There are also physicists that support alternate realities. Additionally the accepted model (Einstein's relativity and Quantum Mechanics) and M Theory support the possibility.

There are folks that say Bush was speaking off the cuff based on his knowledge of events - and was later corrected.




posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: Pearj

Nice find. S+F. Do you have the exact year that he died, because he led the ANC to victory in 1994. So if he died, it would have had to have been from 1990-end of 1993.

Also, there are infinite versions of Earth running parallel to each other in real time right now. Every second, spirits swap places between other versions of themselves. That is why sometimes, you were sure you left your key in your left pocket when you see it in the door lock.

Another version of yourself was sure that they left the key in the lock when they find it in their pocket which is the place that your spirit decided to leave it.

Each swap depends upon how the spirit feels.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: strongfp

but.....but.....what about the bears?



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: Pearj

Oh come off it just watching the video I can tell he is not actually saying Nelson Mandella is dead he is saying all the people like Mandella in Iraq are dead because Sadam killed them.
Why do you need this to be true OP? I would love to know that it is obvious something in the real world is making you believe this fantasy.

Also just to add.



He often made gaffs.
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posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:05 AM
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Sorry OP.


From Sept. 2007,

Mandela still alive after embarrassing Bush remark


Nelson Mandela is still very much alive despite an embarrassing gaffe by U.S. President George W. Bush, who alluded to the former South African leader's death in an attempt to explain sectarian violence in Iraq.

"It's out there. All we can do is reassure people, especially South Africans, that President Mandela is alive," Achmat Dangor, chief executive officer of the Nelson Mandela Foundation, said as Bush's comments received worldwide coverage.


ETA: Use the Wayback Machine, here. Add the link below for another article from 2007.

www.dailymail.co.uk... (right click, copy link location)


Nelson Mandela yesterday assured the world that, contrary to the impression given by the President of the United States, reports of his demise were greatly exaggerated.

Below is another article that actually explains how the mistake was made.

H.W. Bush mistakenly announces death of Nelson Mandela


Former president George H.W. Bush's office mistakenly announced the death of Nelson Mandela on Sunday morning.

"The 41 stmnt sent this morning was the result of my mis-reading the header on the WaPo news flash. Stupid mistake by me. Apologies to all." Bush's spokesman, Jim McGrath, tweeted Sunday morning.

The statement read: "Barbara and I mourn the passing of one of the greatest believers in freedom we have had the privilege to know. As President, I watched in wonder as Nelson Mandela had the remarkable capacity to forgive his jailers following 26 years of wrongful imprisonment — setting a powerful example of redemption and grace for us all. He was a man of tremendous moral courage, who changed the course of history in his country. Barbara and I had great respect for President Mandela, and send our condolences to his family and countrymen."

The South African presidency rejected the statement, saying that Mandela, the anti-apartheid icon, is alive, BNO News reports.

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posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: Pearj

LOL the book is not about history, it's fiction!! Somebody posted this already on another thread (HERE) so I decided to look for the editors of the book, contacted them and these are some of the points he told me:

1 English Alive is not an educational text, nor a political treatise.

2 It is an annual anthology of creative writing by high school students.

3 So the work in it is the product of the authors’ imagination.

4 It’s not about facts, there’s no conspiracy, there’s no point to be proved or disproved, there are no lies involved.

5 The paragraph you quote is one paragraph in a three-page-long imagined speech by the fictional leader of a fictional ‘South Africa’ called Azania.

6 The speech is made ‘on behalf of the Liberated Masses of Azania, ruled by our leader, Jonas The Tyrant Mobukwe …’

7 So, you see it is a fantasy, a political satire, nothing to do with real historical facts.

8 What is clear is the real danger of yanking a single paragraph out of its context and then making assumptions based on only that paragraph


You can contact the director yourself, his name is Robin Malan, Here is his website
The email is at the bottom of the page, which is the one I used to contact him. Please, do so yourself. I don't think I can screen shot his email and post here, but anybody can contact him like I did.

So once more: no proof of any Mandela effect.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: FamCore




You are claiming this book was written in October of '91


I didn't claim anything. This isn't my thread.

I just don't blanket dismiss things because I haven't experienced or realized something, yet. Believe what you want - that's the idea here.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: Pearj

So in conclusion, the very foundation of the Mandela effect have been explained to you here in very easy to understand English with links to prove their validity. Is that enough to convince you that the ME is based on poor memory and mistakes, or are you going to cling to any shred of evidence and perpetuate this joke further? I honestly am curious.



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: Pearj

IMO, this in5d source loves to regurgitate ridiculous claims and theories, probably would share Sorcha Faal stories as if they are completely factual, and discuss things like "our shapeshifting reptilian leaders" and the Galactic Federation. Personally, I'm not a fan of in5d, but to each their own.

Unless there is actual proof, it's best not to put "PROOF" in the title. Especially in a Mandela Effect thread..



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: Pearj





"I thought an interesting comment was made when somebody said to me, I heard somebody say, 'now where's Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead. Because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas."


I believe he is using a metaphor.
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posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: donktheclown

I had to edit my post to "reply to OP" for that section of my comment - it wasn't directed at you. Sorry for any misunderstanding



posted on Aug, 25 2016 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: FamCore
a reply to: strongfp
a reply to: Agartha

I didn't say when it was published, the article I posted did.

There is evidence that work on this book began in '90 - but continued to be edited until it's publication in '91.

Do the same search for "1991" in the book and you'll see several examples. The examples talk about events that have already taken place (you can look them up).


What your suggesting makes the book a magical oracle capable of telling the future.


Link to search for "1991" in the book.


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ETA: Added Agartha to reply list.


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