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originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: UKTruth
Well you show your racism clearly, I don't need to claim it, when someone complains about the fact there are a lot more non white faces in Birmingham than 30 years ago it's fairly obvious what your actual point is. Get off the box you appear to think is the high ground, you're just a sad little individual.
originally posted by: UKTruth
I am 'non-white' and I embrace British culture, which is what Farage talks about. All immigrants should assimilate into the country of the society they are joining.
originally posted by: grainofsand
originally posted by: UKTruth
I am 'non-white' and I embrace British culture, which is what Farage talks about. All immigrants should assimilate into the country of the society they are joining.
What is that supposed to mean then exactly...assimilate?
Become Christian, renounce faith in Islam? Please do explain, I'm all ears.
I don't believe in any gods, does that go against your idea of 'British' culture as well?
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: UKTruth
No, what exactly does that mean with regard to your personal opinions on Muslims migrating to the UK?
Get off the box you appear to think is the high ground, you're just a sad little individual
specifically regarding Muslims that you wet your pants about?
When I drive into the city from the south I pass areas that are simply nothing at all like England from 30 years ago. They are now muslim towns that would not look out of place in a run of the mill middle eastern city.
originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: UKTruth
No ad hominem, I was referring to your post that said -
When I drive into the city from the south I pass areas that are simply nothing at all like England from 30 years ago. They are now muslim towns that would not look out of place in a run of the mill middle eastern city.
And the fact at that point I questioned how you would know it's a muslim town to which you didn't respond. The inference of your post was extremely clear even if you resist coming out and making your racist views explicit.
Frankly it is just the way things are and not really a Muslim thing, it's just when you bring in too many people of different cultures who are not interested in assimilating, the host nations' culture will eventually die out.
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: UKTruth
So again, can you explain exactly how you want Muslims to 'assimilate' in the UK. What is it you think they are not doing but you would wish them to?
Britain is at risk of sleepwalking towards "catastrophe" because of "squeamishness" and complacency about diversity, an influential former human rights watchdog has warned.
Trevor Phillips painted a grim picture of community tension and conflict unless a "more muscular" approach to integration is adopted in place of the existing "laissez-faire" attitude. In an essay titled Race And Faith: The Deafening Silence, he delivers a startling and at times blistering critique, attacking liberal "prevarications" and "self-delusion".
The former head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission also calls for a string of measures including a duty to integrate on educational institutions and an overhaul of freedom of expression laws.
In a stark warning, Mr Phillips writes: "In my view, squeamishness about addressing diversity and its discontents risks allowing our country to sleepwalk to a catastrophe that will set community against community, endorse sexist aggression, suppress freedom of expression, reverse hard-won civil liberties, and undermine the liberal democracy that has served this country so well for so long. "Worst of all it may destroy popular support for the values that have, in my opinion, characterised the greatest political advances in my lifetime: equality and solidarity."
He adds: "Any attempt to ask whether aspects of minority disadvantage may be self-inflicted is denounced as 'blaming the victim'. Instead, we prefer to answer any difficult questions by focusing on the historic prejudices of the dominant majority. In short, it's all about white racism. "This stance just won't do any more. In fact, in today's superdiverse society, it is dangerously misguided." There is "no shortage of public condemnation of 'racism'", the paper says, referring to complaints about discriminatory behaviour, the "alleged fear of backlash against Muslims after each terrorist incident", campaigns to remove symbols of colonialism, and social media campaigns against "supposedly offensive" language.
However, these are not the topics that generate public unease, according to Mr Phillips. "Rather it is the appearance of non-English names above the shop-fronts in the high street; the odd decision to provide only halal meat in some schools; evidence of corruption in municipal politics dominated by one ethnic group or another," he writes. "Such headlines, frequently misreported, but often grounded in some real change, provoke muttering in the pub, or grumbling at the school gate. They become gathering straws in a stiffening breeze of nativist, anti-immigrant sentiment. "And still, our political and media elites appear not to have scented this new wind. We maintain a polite silence masked by noisily debated public fictions such as 'multiculturalism' and 'community cohesion'. "Rome may not yet be in flames, but I think I can smell the smouldering whilst we hum to the music of liberal self-delusion."
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: UKTruth
So just learn English then? Okay, and your link is kind of irrelevant no mention of assimilation at all, just talk of foreign names on shop signs, halal meat in majority Muslim schools, and corruption in local government....plenty of that in non Muslim councils.
Learn English is all you have lol
We maintain a polite silence masked by noisily debated public fictions such as 'multiculturalism' and 'community cohesion'. "Rome may not yet be in flames, but I think I can smell the smouldering whilst we hum to the music of liberal self-delusion
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: UKTruth
So just learn English then? Okay, and your link is kind of irrelevant no mention of assimilation at all, just talk of foreign names on shop signs, halal meat in majority Muslim schools, and corruption in local government....plenty of that in non Muslim councils.
Learn English is all you have lol
I said it was a start (which you know). Use your research skills to find out more about Assimilation.
As for the quoted text from Trevor Phillips, I think it's pretty clear and you can find out more by doing some work on the report he published.
I particularly like where he said:
We maintain a polite silence masked by noisily debated public fictions such as 'multiculturalism' and 'community cohesion'. "Rome may not yet be in flames, but I think I can smell the smouldering whilst we hum to the music of liberal self-delusion
You have no leg to stand on, either in any of your arguments or any of you ad hominem attacks.
originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: UKTruth
You really aren't proving a point here, you seem to sidestep the argument put forward because you don't want to answer the point honestly?
Exactly how do some places in Birmingham look like cities in the middle east, and more to the point how can you not make that statement and yet with your other face say you are not talking about race? Your inability to make a coherent response that doesn't contradict itself is really your problem. I'm not sure why you think I'm being emotional - I understand that's your way of deflecting.
More to the point, this is nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit so I guess we should stop the thread drift.
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: UKTruth
Nope, you are the one banging on about assimilation and all you've got is that immigrants learn the host language. That of course is sensible.
Then you go on about research for yourself lol! No, what else have YOU got in your grand assimilation desires? I say you have nothing or whatever you have got you refuse to share for unknown reasons.
You know, this being a discussion site n all.
originally posted by: SudoNim
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: UKTruth
So just learn English then? Okay, and your link is kind of irrelevant no mention of assimilation at all, just talk of foreign names on shop signs, halal meat in majority Muslim schools, and corruption in local government....plenty of that in non Muslim councils.
Learn English is all you have lol
I said it was a start (which you know). Use your research skills to find out more about Assimilation.
As for the quoted text from Trevor Phillips, I think it's pretty clear and you can find out more by doing some work on the report he published.
I particularly like where he said:
We maintain a polite silence masked by noisily debated public fictions such as 'multiculturalism' and 'community cohesion'. "Rome may not yet be in flames, but I think I can smell the smouldering whilst we hum to the music of liberal self-delusion
You have no leg to stand on, either in any of your arguments or any of you ad hominem attacks.
Why do you keep deflecting to other people's opinions and definitions?
Why are you avoiding actually answering anything regarding your seemingly racist statements earlier in the thread?