President of Philippines to UN - I don't give a [snip] about your repercussions

a reply to: daskakik

As for the other post, you asked what victims and the answer is anyone since the constitution applies to everyone.

Really? Then you're going to have a field day with these:

Maguindanao Massacre

Hacienda Luisita Massacre

Mendiola Massacre

Kidapawan Massacre

Oh and it's not just the oligarchs! We also have...the United States of America!

Bud Dajo Massacre

The Meiring Conspiracy

Feel free to include these when you go on about your human rights crusade.

a reply to: bijouramov

Don't know what you think any of those prove.

Fringe benefit!
a reply to: Phage

a reply to: daskakik

Those are not generalizations about the country

Then what are they? Objective observation based on accurate facts?

and some are you twisting what I said but oh well.

Which ones? Stop being vague and specify.

Your opinions are no more valid than anyone else's. You are there but that doesn't mean you are not biased.

You have opinions based on ignorance and lies. I have my opinion based on real life experience. Bias? Speak for yourself please.

So when you here the words come out of the man's mouth he really isn't saying that?

I listen from the beginning up to the end. I ignore spliced videos of the MSM.

Takes a special kind if mind to believe that.

Uhm...a fanatic? Nope. You're barking up the wrong tree.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: bijouramov

Don't know what you think any of those prove.

I thought you were against the violation of human rights?

originally posted by: bijouramov
Then what are they? Objective observation based on accurate facts?

Do you know what a generalization is?

Which ones? Stop being vague and specify.

Makes no difference.

You have opinions based on ignorance and lies. I have my opinion based on real life experience. Bias? Speak for yourself please.

More irony.

I listen from the beginning up to the end. I ignore spliced videos of the MSM.
Uhm...a fanatic? Nope. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Yeah, sure.

originally posted by: bijouramov
I thought you were against the violation of human rights?

Maybe, so?

If someone else violates human rights it absolves Dutere's transgresiones?

a reply to: daskakik

Do you know what a generalization is?

Guatemala's educational system is that bad? Well, google will solve your problem.

Makes no difference.

You seem to make that decision a lot.

Yeah, sure.

You seem to have doubts. Care to point out why?

a reply to: daskakik

So how about those human rights violations I linked? Care to give your educated opinion? Those are victims of oligarchs, public officials all the way up to the president. Two of them actually. Mother and son.

Oh wait. Makes no difference right?

a reply to: bijouramov

If I say "Duterte is corrupt", that isn't about the entire country or a generalization.

I don't care if you see what you twisted or not.

originally posted by: bijouramov
a reply to: daskakik

As for the other post, you asked what victims and the answer is anyone since the constitution applies to everyone.

Really? Then you're going to have a field day with these:

Maguindanao Massacre

Hacienda Luisita Massacre

Mendiola Massacre

Kidapawan Massacre

Oh and it's not just the oligarchs! We also have...the United States of America!

Bud Dajo Massacre

The Meiring Conspiracy

Feel free to include these when you go on about your human rights crusade.

The Moro Rebellion

"As a matter of fact, we inherited this problem from the United States," he said. "Why? Because they invaded this country and made us their subjugated people. Everybody has a terrible record of extrajudicial killing. Why make an issue about fighting crime?"

Duterte highlights stain on US's colonial past In his comments, Duterte referred to an infamous US massacre in the southern Philippines. The US acquired the Philippines from Spain as a result of the 1898 Treaty of Paris, which brought an end to the Spanish-American War. Filipinos rose up against the US, waging a war that ended in 1902. But some of the Moro population -- a Muslim group in the south of the country -- continued to reject US rule, in what is known as the Moro Rebellion.

In 1906, an infamous battle took place in the volcanic crater of Bud Dajo on the southern island of Jolo. US forces, equipped with firearms, routed the Moros, who used traditional weapons, leaving hundreds of them dead and only a handful of survivors. The US's military victory proved a public relations disaster when it was revealed that women and children were among those killed. Duterte was referring to the US's history as a colonial power in the Philippines, and specifically to one infamous massacre in the southern Philippines -- the 1906 Battle of Bud Dajo -- in which hundreds of Filipinos, including women and children, were killed.

"How many died? Six hundred," Duterte said Monday. "If (Obama) can answer that question and give the apology, I will answer him."

Despite the bullish tone, a government spokesman insisted the Duterte administration is against any form of extrajudicial killings. "We do not condone these acts," Presidential Communications Office Secretary Martin Andanar said.

"(The) government is here to save our people from the drug menace and punish the offenders, including the big-time ones. The PNP (Philippines National Police) continues to investigate situations involving vigilante killings and operational aspects where deaths are reported."

edition.cnn.com...

Obama should talk, his IRS and DOJ are no better than the "vigilantes"

At least most of the dead are guilty.

originally posted by: bijouramov
So how about those human rights violations I linked? Care to give your educated opinion? Those are victims of oligarchs, public officials all the way up to the president. Two of them actually. Mother and son.

Oh wait. Makes no difference right?

Didn't even bother to look at them.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: bijouramov
I thought you were against the violation of human rights?

Maybe, so?

If someone else violates human rights it absolves Dutere's transgresiones?

If Duterte has transgressed against the rights of his people which includes me, what is your basis and your proof? You make a claim, show the proof.

You seem to work on the presumption that the Philippines is not capable of overthrowing a dictator. Ever heard of Edsa People Power?

a reply to: bijouramov

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?

The list of violations has no bearing on whether Duterte has or has not or will or will not transgress.

Yes, they make no difference.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: bijouramov

If I say "Duterte is corrupt", that isn't about the entire country or a generalization.

I don't care if you see what you twisted or not.

Ah but it is. Because the majority of us filipinos voted for him. Your implying we're stupid. And now barely 2 months in his term you confidently call him corrupt?

I don't care if you see what you twisted or not.

Then why bring it up in the first place?

originally posted by: bijouramov
Ah but it is. Because the majority of us filipinos voted for him. Your implying we're stupid.

That is you saying that, not me.

And now barely 2 months in his term you confidently call him corrupt?

I'm free to say whatever I want and you are free to think I'm wrong.

Then why bring it up in the first place?

Just so you know.

a reply to: daskakik

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?

But I could say the same thing of you...

The list of violations has no bearing on whether Duterte has or has not or will or will not transgress.

So you really don't care about our rights being violated? You just hate Duterte?

What you are doing is analogous to condemning a child as a menace to society because it cries and screams a lot.

a reply to: daskakik

That is you saying that, not me.

Yes, I said you are implying that we're stupid for making Duterte our leader.

I'm free to say whatever I want and you are free to think I'm wrong.

Does that right apply to everybody regardless of status?

Just so you know.

What? That you're making things up? Okay.

a reply to: bijouramov

You really don't see why that list of violations has no bearing?

originally posted by: bijouramov
Yes, I said you are implying that we're stupid for making Duterte our leader.

And I'm not implying that.

Does that right apply to everybody regardless of status?

Sorry, I try to avoid loaded questions.

What? That you're making things up? Okay.

Making what up? Saying that I am implying something when I'm not is a perfect example and you won't cop to that so why go into the others?