NEWS: Tear Gas used at Inauguration

BTW...did anyone in here listen to what the speakers of the protesters were saying?....

I heard one of them speaking through a microphone and the idiot was proclaiming that the people of the US are only liberals.. He actually said "we are the people....that all Republicans are rich and are only a few, that the government couldn't do anything without the people." He was proclaiming that the American public are liberals.... What a bunch of crap, and the worse thing is that all other liberals there, were clapping to what this idiot was saying...

I guess they didn't know that the mayority of people at the inauguration were regular people from all over the US who were Republicans...... How many protesters were there btw? (i just found out there were supposedly 7,000 protesters, even though i did not see that many it could be possible) i am not sure for certain, but there were at least 260,000 Republicans there even with the bad weather, which is more than protesters, and thwe could muster this many people even though it wasn't on a weekend or on a holiday, a lot of people had to work.

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Originally posted by FredT
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Im all for the right to protest, but once you start disrupting, vandalizing, or throwing feces like a monkey in a zoo, as far as I am concerned that right is over.

Fredt, many of these protesters were throwing snowballs to the police and even to the motorcade, one of those snowballs must have had either a rock inside of it, or it had ice because if actually made a dent on the car that the president was travelling in according to what i heard in the news in Washington DC, if that had hit anyone it could have hurt them pretty bad.

There were four women, according to the news although a friend of mine said she saw two, i didn't see them since i got separated with some other of our friends from the main group, who had fur clothing and took all their clothes off and run nude protesting against fur. like the president had anything to do about that.....

Many liberals would use any event to protest about anything, even if most of the time they really have no idea why they are really protesting.

i love it!
the 'righties' attack the behaviour of the 'lefties'! hahaha!
what do the 'lefties' want? fair elections and an intact constitution.
what do the 'righties' want? a police state.
HAHAHAHA! you're country is like, such a tragic comedy, dudes and dudesses.

you're bipolar, dudes. i could like, have your whole country thrown into the psych ward.

Originally posted by billybob
i love it!
the 'righties' attack the behaviour of the 'lefties'! hahaha!
what do the 'lefties' want? fair elections and an intact constitution.
what do the 'righties' want? a police state.
HAHAHAHA! you're country is like, such a tragic comedy, dudes and dudesses.

you're bipolar, dudes. i could like, have your whole country thrown into the psych ward.

First of all, lefties have done as much if not more fraud in elections than Republicans and there are plenty of material to back up what i say in these forums...

Second of all.....just by you saying that you want (or the lefties want) an intact Constitution shows your ignorance of our three most valuable documents, which include the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence, as well as it shows your obvious ignorance of the history of the US.... The Constitution was never meant to stay intact "duuude"..... the people made the Constitution and the people can unmake it...but perhaps once you read all three documents you could begin to understand what it means.... congress can make amendments to the Constitution if you didn't know, and amendments have been made...

BTW.....ya....you need to be thrown into the psych ward.....

Here is a link where you can inform yourself a bit about Constitutional amendments duuude....

www.usconstitution.net...
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Originally posted by Muaddib
First of all, lefties have done as much if not more fraud in elections than Republicans and there are plenty of material to back up what i say in these forums...

pure rhetoric. and i never said the left hasn't been guilty of fraud. i said the 'lefties'(anyone anti-bush, not necessarily left leaning politically, just what's being pigeonholed as 'lefty') want FAIR ELECTIONS. that means NO FRAUD by ANYONE.

Originally posted by MuaddibSecond of all.....just by you saying that you want (or the lefties want) an intact Constitution shows your ignorance of our three most valuable documents, which include the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence, as well as it shows your obvious ignorance of the history of the US.... The Constitution was never meant to stay intact "duuude"..... the people made the Constitution and the people can unmake it...but perhaps once you read all three documents you could begin to understand what it means.... congress can make amendments to the Constitution if you didn't know, and amendments have been made..

constitutional amendments by the people for the people, yes. but the patriot acts are not amendments. do the people who were exercising there right, ...duty even, to dissent and remove a criminal administration by any means necessary not make up 'the people'? the police should be throwing tear gas at bush and co., arresting them for insider trading, illegal wars, illegally sworn in, contrary to constitutional law(five minutes early, as per the skull and bones time, 11:55 for cheney, and 11:56 for bush, instead of the traditional 12:00), nepotism, purgery, etc.

Originally posted by MuaddibBTW.....ya....you need to be thrown into the psych ward.....

scintillating wit. you should have your own TV show. irrational insultovision we could call it.
how many presidential inaugural parades have had riots breaking out? how much do you think about the critical mass of popular movements? the media can only steer the sheeple while the sheeple trust the media. the president can only run a 'free country' if the police don't have to outnumber the audience at every public appearance. look at some snapshots from the parade. tell me your country is not in troubled times.
tragic comedy.

you might want to try this insult now, 'billybob, you are dumb and ugly '. witty, no?

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First of all, I am going to state for the record that the purpose of a protest is to verbally claim a position against a cause/situation/whatnot........as such, some of the protesters at the inaugural were completely out of line; way back in the first post of this thread you can even read where I stated my disapproval of the "hurling of debris." Not stated succintely enough, here is my gripe regarding the reporting of the inaugural: The sugarcoated idealism of having a president has overshadowed the negative aspects of his first term. And among them are some heavy hitting negatives.

That said, allow me to address the peace-loving conservative ideal.


Iraq Body Count. This is a link that has kept track of Iraq casualty since the inception of the war, civilian and military alike. The civilian count is the important aspect here; They invited this war how? Granted it is a tribute that we are there to free them from the Iraqi regime, but how many more need to die?

For those of you who like to see a brand name next to their statistics:CNN Casualty Report

Of the names and faces contained therin, some were too young to understand the nature of their sacrifice. Some misunderstood the nature of the people they were struggling against. They were misrepresented by their government and still followed orders. A shame indeed....
To the authorities who allowed this to happen, I think djohnsto77 said it best:

Originally posted by djohnsto77
These people have no respect for life or the law, how can we take even one word they say seriously? They deserve to be locked up for their actions.[edit on 1/23/2005 by djohnsto77]

A "scuffle" provoked by a few wayward protesters shouldn't be enough to take focus from their concerns. Granted, they overstepped their bounds but that seems to be a trend that both liberal and conservative alike are guilty of........

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Originally posted by MemoryShock
A "scuffle" provoked by a few wayward protesters shouldn't be enough to take focus from their concerns. Granted, they overstepped their bounds but that seems to be a trend that both liberal and conservative alike are guilty of........

It was more than just a few, Mem.
It was a lot.
As the topic of the story is the use of pepper spray, I merely provided some facts from people who were there as to what actually transpired.

Unfortunately protesters assaulting people and damaging property doesn't make the news as well as big mean cops and their pepper spray.

And yes, by behaving like they did, it detracts significantly from their "voicing" (and I use that term very loosely) their cause. Nobody's going to take you seriously if you're protesting war by hurting people yourself.
They done shot themselves in the foot with this one.

Originally posted by Banshee

It was more than just a few, Mem.
It was a lot.

Unfortunately protesters assaulting people and damaging property doesn't make the news as well as big mean cops and their pepper spray.

I can concede both those points; indeed in light of evidence I'm being generous in doing so, *cough* *smile*. But I think one reason the big meanie coppers get more attention than raucous protestors is that media time then might have to be devoted to the reason of protest.......not always time efficient and not always confidence inspiring.

And yes, by behaving like they did, it detracts significantly from their "voicing" (and I use that term very loosely) their cause. Nobody's going to take you seriously if you're protesting war by hurting people yourself.
They done shot themselves in the foot with this one.

Too bad, to, in my opinion.

Originally posted by billybob
pure rhetoric. and i never said the left hasn't been guilty of fraud. i said the 'lefties'(anyone anti-bush, not necessarily left leaning politically, just what's being pigeonholed as 'lefty') want FAIR ELECTIONS. that means NO FRAUD by ANYONE.

And you think that "lefties" are the only ones that want no fraud at all in elections?.....if you think so, you are mistaken. Fraud is always done by some groups from all sides, but not from the mayority, the difference between "the lefties" and Republicans is that many in the left believe that all or most of the fraud is being done only or mostly by Republicans, and there is a large group of "lefties" that believe that the regular people of the US are only the lefties or that only the "lefties" have rights in this country, according to what some of the speakers of the demonstration in Washington were saying. They are obviously wrong.

The "lefties" are also mostly the ones claiming that since the elections in 2000 that we don't have free elections, and they have been tampered with to make Bush win. Yet they fail to mention that in the 2000 elections, the diebold machines were not used in most states, and that there were recounts done by pretty much every mayor newspaper in the country, as well as recounts were done by officials, and they all said the same thing, Bush won without fraud.

Now "the lefties" are once more claiming that Bush won only because of fraud, and even though most, if not all fraud was found, even though some people were claming that fraud would not be found through these diebold machines, much of that fraud was done by "lefties" not only by some Republicans.

Kerry had 10,000 lawyers look into the 2004 elections and Kerry conceded that Bush did win the 2004 elections. Nader himself is suing Kerry and not Bush for voter fraud.

Originally posted by billybob
do the people who were exercising there right, ...duty even, to dissent and remove a criminal administration by any means necessary not make up 'the people'? the police should be throwing tear gas at bush and co., arresting them for insider trading, illegal wars, illegally sworn in, contrary to constitutional law(five minutes early, as per the skull and bones time, 11:55 for cheney, and 11:56 for bush, instead of the traditional 12:00), nepotism, purgery, etc.

You mean exercising their right to attack other people, even if they are Republicans, their right to burn and destroy anything they want, make riots, and the right to keep proclaiming all those lies that groups such as A.N.S.W.E.R. International, or UCLA, whose founders and parent groups are communists come up with?

Criminal administration?.....please....... Wow... it is unconstitutional to have the president and vice-president sworn in 4 minutes before 12...........and if i remember by my watch, it was right on time, although i do not watch for the president and vice-president to being sworn in 5 minutes before or after to make up another wild claim.... it had to come from a leftie...

Originally posted by billybob
how many presidential inaugural parades have had riots breaking out? how much do you think about the critical mass of popular movements? the media can only steer the sheeple while the sheeple trust the media. the president can only run a 'free country' if the police don't have to outnumber the audience at every public appearance. look at some snapshots from the parade. tell me your country is not in troubled times.
tragic comedy.

All those riots that you talk about are being funded and planned by those same organizations that so many believe are doing only good things, those same organizations whose funders had one goal in mind, make this great country go through a transition to make it first a socialist country, and then a communist country.

If the country is in troubled times, is because of Islamic extremists, others who help Islamic extremists, and because the left are still oblivious as to what is going on. It could very well be said that the lefties are the sheeple of all those communist ideas that are being spread.....even many so called socialist or liberal countries are hailing real dictators, and assasins such as castro, Saddam, Khatami, Kim, and others like them....meanwhile they claim that all the evils are being done by the US and the true allies of our nation.

But of course these groups, together with many if not most of the lefties have nothing to say about those countries that are doing worse things than the US. They have nothing to say about the dirty deals and illegal arms deals of banned weapons and material that were done between France, Russia, Germany, China, North Korea and other countries with Saddam, meanwhile about 2 million people or more died in Iraq while these people became rich, and despite the fact that there were sanctions in place against these same illegal deals which the UN agreed on having....

More people have died in Iraq under Saddam and under the UN sanctions, than those who have died in the war. The proof is out there for anyone willing to take a look at it....but of course many lefties won't look at this evidence....since it goes against all the hatred they have been indoctrinated into having towards the government, and even the way of life in the US, as well as towards other countries that are true allies of our great nation.

So keep being the sheep so many of you keep claiming Republicans are, as well as those who believe in the evidence against most of what lefties keep claiming....this is the real problem that our nation is going through, the lefties are sheep to a propaganda that has been at work for a very long time. The same propaganda and agenda that made Cuba what it is now, what is making Venezuela another communist state, and what changed the mind of many voters in Spain to have once more a socialist govenrment.

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[edit on 23-1-2005 by Muaddib]

I am known for my anti-Bush and anti-police views. However, this time, the police were right to use force. If the protestors are going to be violent, then the state has the right to deploy some force to disperse these crowds.
It's protestors like these that give protesting a bad name.

Originally posted by Muaddib
So keep being the sheep so many of you keep claiming Republicans are, as well as those who believe in the evidence against most of what lefties keep claiming....this is the real problem that our nation is going through, the lefties are sheep to a propaganda that has been at work for a very long time.
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I have read your posts with interest Muaddib, and find it interesting that you adhere many of your arguements to generalities. The above being the most humurous as it amounts to a loud, "not'ah, you are,"(seriously, it does). I think despite all of it you had one really good point, albeit flavored towards "lefties" only. The real problem is the propoganda that has been at work for a very long time........but propoganda is aimed at both sides. Unless you/we all stop adhering to leftist/righty ideals and critically assess each situation differently, all that will be accomplished is bubkiss. All the talk of fraud warrants the consideration of fraud, if not just for the novelty of it.

I was wondering if anyone else remembered this...and how there were dissidents at the time.

Interesting how the American Media can really just gloss over the facts in favor of wanton idealism....or media control.

I wonder if we now have any media representatives from that inauguration here on ATS now?

I was wondering why this was revived.

Yeah, I remember this... and I've noticed the same thing. The angry mob is still present, but they have been too oppressed to do anything.

Most people want him gone, they want the invasions done and over with... more talk of invading Iran, now that Afghanistan and Iraq are screwed up... many calls for impeaching him, but nobody "official" is willing to have anything to do with it for fear of their own safety.

The country really isn't free anymore. Let's hope that changes next year, when he's out of office.