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originally posted by: Puppylove
As for socialism, more often than not good social programs seem to fail due to infection rather than their own failures.
Some outside source comes in to destroy it. Be it hostile capitalistic trade partners, or a sudden influx of people that have no respect for the system in place.
Many seem fine til infected by things not part of said system.
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: ketsuko
The problem with free market systems is they are also ripe for corruption because it's technically dog eat dog, with little to no rules. People keep trying # til stuff starts to stick, some have more success than others, and eventually some people will become successful enough to effectively control said free market by controlling all the wealth and holding everyone else hostage by holding their very livelihood over their head.
In the end like what was shown earlier, both systems can fall to fascism. Pretending a free-market won't is silly.
Here's the issue.
In socialism, people start off better but it seems to fall to fascism faster.
In capitalism people start off worse, and they need to fight each other for dominance til someone comes out on top and fascism still occurs. It may take longer to get there, but the trip sure sucks more.
originally posted by: WanderingNomadd
a reply to: StallionDuck
Lol why did you change your original OP for, to make me seem wrong? I thought you are a BS detector not a BS distributor?
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
originally posted by: StallionDuck
92% of Americans have the following 2 things pop up in their heads when you mention Sweden.
- Weed
- Redlight District
I'm quite sure that if you explained to those same people what kind of economic system Sweden has, they wouldn't vote for it.
By the way... 92% of the people reading this article swung the opposite way. I think your poller is broken.
Then 92% of Americans are retarded because that would be Holland that had the weed & red light district.
Not Sweden.
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Edumakated
Prove it. Prove your 20% make 80 of the production ratio.
Keep in mind every single person no matter how small that takes part in the production of something are a part of it.
Some dude overseeing 50 people producing does not mean he gets credit for all their work combined while they only get credit for their individual part. Each and every person involved in the production of something are responsible for it's production.
So your telling me, 80% of the population is sitting on their ass not contributing, while 20% do all the heavy lifting.
Prove it.
originally posted by: Puppylove
Where I stand is this. Meet the basic needs, healthy food, a roof, warm bed, and some kind entertainment to maintain morale and actual time with family. Once this is met, then, I'm willing to accept any amount of division by class and or job.
When a group forms that work together with each others interest in mind