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originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: BlackProject
Our galaxy contains a minimum of 100 billion planets. Of those, most are small planets like ours. Statistically, every star would have at least one planet. This means that the chances of life and habitable planets in our galaxy alone is overwhelmingly high. So high that it's impossible to deny that life is out there.
Wrong. Until we understand how life came to be on Earth, and until we find evidence of it elsewhere, we can't say for sure that there is life anywhere but Earth. One hundred billion seems like a lot, unless the odds of life rising up from dead chemicals is more like 1 in a quintillion. Then maybe not so much.
There could be multitudes of Quintillions of planets in our universe though. We still don't know how big the Universe is really.
There are two ways to look at this, both scientifically valid. You either have a theory that life is probably rare or that life is probably abundant. Neither view is wrong and neither can be proven wrong. The only thing that IS wrong would be to denigrate ir insult those that have the opposing view.
originally posted by: schuyler
Every time one of these threads comes up I wonder who has ever denied it. I have personally never met anyone who has denied there is life elsewhere. To me it's a Straw Man argument. Somebody decides there are "billions and billions" of stars, therefore....life! as if no one has ever thought of that before. Reveling in their new-found brilliance they decide there must be a whole lot of deniers out there, so they decide to show these unseen deniers a thing or two and "prove" it by showing overwhelming numbers. Now there may actually be a few curmudgeons in the woodwork who are deniers, but they certainly are not culturally significant any more than flat-earthers, of which there are probably many more.
The Bottom Line is that the argument is completely unnecessary. And when you get right down to it, it doesn't actually prove anything. You're just playing with statistics.
originally posted by: schuyler
originally posted by: DarkvsLight29 Not sure why others are arguing that there isn't life on other planets around the universe?
You, too, huh? My original question to the OP in this thread was WHO, exactly, argues that there is no life on other planets? And so far no one has come up with anyone. So why do people keep asking? NOBODY CLAIMS THAT! NOBODY SAYS THAT! So why do you keep claiming there are people who do? Like I said earlier, there may be a curmudgeon or two somewhere who claims that, but culturally speaking, it's a complete NON issue. Nobody claims that. Why do people feel inclined to say that they do?
originally posted by: BlackProject
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: BlackProject
Life comes from acids colliding. In basic terms. You only need a acidic environment and you get basic life. Those planets that come back from equations as (maybes) are all deemed terrestrial planets and therefore have the same (acidic) building blocks as earth.
Assuming that at some point in the last 14 billion years some colliding acids on Earth decided to reproduce, that still doesn't mean it happened anywhere else, or it would be happening everywhere, and in many, many different forms than just the single kind we find here on Earth.
So me. Show me where it happened more than once. Ever.
Your asking for something that has obviously not been found yet. You ask me this question just like a religious person would ask a scientist where did everything come from. They also do not know the answer to that question but it is clear that there is a progression to understanding and seeing the direction advancements will come from.
The exact same beginning procedure for life on earth will be happening elsewhere on another rocky planet, there is not many requirements for there to be before there is another planet like earths. To the same degree, life does not need earth requirements to produce life.
Statistically, every star would have at least one planet. This means that the chances of life and habitable planets in our galaxy alone is overwhelmingly high. So high that it's impossible to deny that life is out there.
originally posted by: ParasuvO
originally posted by: BlackProject
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: BlackProject
Life comes from acids colliding. In basic terms. You only need a acidic environment and you get basic life. Those planets that come back from equations as (maybes) are all deemed terrestrial planets and therefore have the same (acidic) building blocks as earth.
Assuming that at some point in the last 14 billion years some colliding acids on Earth decided to reproduce, that still doesn't mean it happened anywhere else, or it would be happening everywhere, and in many, many different forms than just the single kind we find here on Earth.
So me. Show me where it happened more than once. Ever.
Your asking for something that has obviously not been found yet. You ask me this question just like a religious person would ask a scientist where did everything come from. They also do not know the answer to that question but it is clear that there is a progression to understanding and seeing the direction advancements will come from.
The exact same beginning procedure for life on earth will be happening elsewhere on another rocky planet, there is not many requirements for there to be before there is another planet like earths. To the same degree, life does not need earth requirements to produce life.
Any scientist who is trying to find something based on what is actually a very Religious View, that what he observes here on Earth somehow must lead to elsewhere, also does not know the answer.
Why so much effort is put forth into speculating on what is likely happening while COMPLETELY not understanding even the most basic components of how life really works is incredible.
Talk about living in utter fantasy land, they are no different than the ones praying to God.
originally posted by: sapien82
I tend to agree with you , but one toke of a pipe and your as good as making first contact
but of course we arent allowed to discuss that here !
probably the closest we have to aliens and we cant even discuss it !
now thats a conspiracy
Just because we have yet to find it or detect ( at least to the publics knowledge ) does not mean it is not there.
Your asking for something that has obviously not been found yet.
You make a lot of very broad statements my little blue friend.
originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: BlackProject
Just because we have yet to find it or detect ( at least to the publics knowledge ) does not mean it is not there.
Yeah and it also doesn't mean it is either.
Your asking for something that has obviously not been found yet.
and you are telling us that there is alien life and its almost impossible to deny.
I really don't get the point.
Who is denying that alien life could exist?
Was this thread some lame attempt to try and draw in a very small minority of people that believe we are alone in the universe so you could debate?
You make a lot of very broad statements my little blue friend.
You mean like suggesting the Drake equation and simple calculations?
So why not do them?
originally posted by: jjsr420
Simply because we havent discovered it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Lets see someone do the drake equation with. .1, 5, and 10 in the equation, and see what they come up with.