Russia sends message to NATO through their drills.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I bet Russia can't wait for a Trump presidency so he can try his best to pull the US out of NATO.

Couldn't help yourself huh?
It's like a reflex with you all now.
The next 4 years are gonna be great!!

Back on topic...
Russia doesn't want conflict with NATO. The fact the source was RT is irrelevant. Russia is trying to keep a dialogue open. It does appears NATO, America, Obama, and Hillary want conflict with Russia. They are fine with this breakdown, and for what reason? Crimea? Russia not wanting anything to do with NATO and the EU? Give me a break!!

These globalist psychopaths will stop at nothing to bring Russia/Putin to heal. I commend him and Trump for not wanting to fall back into another cold war. Interesting cultural shift we are seeing here. The old cold war was Capitalist America VS Communist/Socialist Russia and now it's International globalists VS anyone who doesn't want a one world economy, government, currency, laws, etc etc. In layman's the collectivists vs the individualists.

Starting to think we have an entire generation of people who payed no attention in history class. Incapable if seeing just how dangerous all this is. We really only have one option at this point...

VOTE TRUMP!!!

a reply to: JAY1980

The funny part is, say new (worse) cold war around Americans and you look like a paranoid looney. The powers to be and the media have done a phenomenal job at downplaying the situation. Which is what makes it dangerous. Russia(ns) doesn't want a war,and American citizens sure has hell don't want one. Unfortunately, the situation has been so eloquently orchestrated the possibility is one we must keep an eye on.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

This should scare you that both sides are careening toward a collision that will end all life on this planet.

a reply to: Harru42

While I doubt that, the outcome doesn't look promising any way you cut it. Mutually assured destruction is still quite a deterrent. Even the elites would be vaporized or stuck in an underground prison with no more precious power.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
All the rest of the world had to do once the Cold War ended was let Russia have its own back yard of influence.

But the independent countries neighboring Russia don't want anything to do with them. They don't want to be influenced by Russia, that's why many of them joined NATO, by their own choice. US and other heavyweights of NATO didn't care about them, for example the Baltic countries didn't even have defense plans put in place till 2010. They had to beg for them too.

originally posted by: angeldoll
I wish the U.S. and Russia could have a big "meet and greet", and not leave until we all got along. As a people, we are not that different. It's the stupid pissing contests of our 'rulers" that keeps one paranoid about the other.

Truest post on the thread. I for one feel that if the U.S. and the Russians worked together instead of against each other the world would be 100 times better. My son and I are friends with Russian families, from his school. A lot of customers at my restaurant are Russian. All are legal immigrants, very intelligent, friendly and good tippers.

That being said I also fear NATO could be doing this creeping on the boarder to justify their own existence still. NWO aside(I will save my view on that for another day) Remember NATO was only formed in 1949 to counter Soviet expansion in WW2. The U.S.S.R. fell in 1991 officially. Here in 2016, 25 years and most likely trillions of collective dollars later, with no threat the member nation have to create the fear of one. If they didn't too many people in too many separate countries might start wanting to know why we were still in NATO and spending "gubment" funds towards it. Specifically when there is no real threat.

Bottom line I see us skidding dangerously close toward WW3 regardless. I hope I'm wrong.

a reply to: Piggy315

Nato didn't creep anywhere countries join NATO because they perceive a threat. Like Poland for example to them the reality of a Russian invasion is very real. They train for it and will do whatever is necessary to not be under Russian influence again. As they say been there done that and to them being under thr Russian boot is done. See whe. Russia wants to claim a sphere of influence this term goes back to the cold war. That means they want to control their neighbors to prevent Russian incursions.

Now if a country chooses to join Nato there are rules a vote must be taken and guidelines are set they must meet. If they do they can petition to join. By thr way Russia was well on the way to becoming a NATO member until Putin stopped it by you know invading his neighbors. Russian actions have caused NATO to grow. They have been the best recruiting tool possible. Just look around almost every country in e Europe wants to join NATO now. EBen the ones who only a decade ago would have refused.

This is caused by bad policies such as war games featuring attacks on there neighbors. Massing troops on borders as a scare tactic. Encroaching on there air space not to mention sending subs off there shore. Putin is a cold war guy he tries to intimidate instrad of negotiate.problem is eastern Europe doesn't like intimidation it just reminds them of the Soviet Union and they vow not to return to that.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Well, in this discussion we're only focused on symptomatic responses to aggressive US strategic initiatives that jump-started this situation a decade ago. Pres. Bush allowed the deployment of various (i.e. anti-ballistic and cruise) missile systems near the Russian border, which in essence tips the scale of power toward the US to inflict heavy damage on Russia's critical infrastructure, thus allowing western allies the advantage of a "nuclear first strike". Russia's natural (and sovereign) response has been to reset the balance of power through an expansion of its defensible territory and resources in Crimea, Ukraine and Syria. Putin's aggressive strategic policies are now aimed at pushing back against allied initiatives in the Middle East. Syria is a significant crude oil producing country in the Eastern Mediterranean region. And Syria has at least 2.5 billion barrels of oil in its fields, making it the next largest Middle Eastern oil producer after Iraq.

If Mr. Putin is trying to tell Americans that we've been lied to, that's not propaganda at all. In desperation, he's attempting to avoid war by using western media as his mouthpiece to get the message out there. I have to tell you that we are concerned and somewhat dismayed by the common American response to this escalating situation, which only an informed public in a free society can quash.

Use your freedom to understand what you have to lose if you continue to allow the NSA and Pentagon to run the White House and all of the presidents' strategic policy decisions. Think on who and what you are really voting for when you go the polls in November.

At least Pres. Putin recognizes the truth and acts on his own volition to defend Russia's sovereign rights. It is in the order of political heresy, that the so-called free-west is doing just the opposite.

I think the german government Meeting today is part of what is to come. Today the German government said that they will order every household in Germany to stalk up og Food and wather to last for 10 days and enough cash to last for 21 days.

Since the Ukraine government started to move a lot of military hardware and personel Close to the Dombas and Crimea region Three weeks ago. We have seen a Russian response in a mass build up of Russian forces in cremia and along the Russian boarder east of Dombas. Our western media have only reported on what russia have been doing but nothing on what the Ukraine government have been doingn these last Three weeks.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I dont want to fight Russia. They dont want to fight us.

WTF.

If hillary wins, we might.

I would rather we hang her high.

WTF

I dont want to think about it. God, help us.

1,200 km transfer of airborne troops from Volgograd to Crimea just happened

a reply to: 2012newstart

Since the only country believing Russian propaganda about the "supposed" actions of Ukraine in Crimea are the Russian government Putin is not going to do anything that would further increase sanctions.

The movement of troops are a way to try and pressure Ukraine to give into Russian demands regarding East Ukraine. Putin seems oblivious to the fact the sanctions will remain until Russia withdraws its military from Ukraine's territory, which include Crimea.

Putin is living in denial and that is what will destroy Russia.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

These new guys SUCK at doing a cold war.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Where do they go with pressurising Russia? They need to let Russia have its own backyard and concentrate on real threat to the west from Islamo terroroism. If Russia is left alone it will not bite back, Russiaa aint gonna do a 9/11 or a 7/7 on us if we leave em alone, if we don't bother them then we won't be bit by them. All our resourses should be focusses on Islamic nutters who are out to take us to the brink

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Not at all THEY'LL just reacquire old real estate.
THAT'S a no,no.
If they were INTELLIGENT on both sides the US and Russia should work as a co-dominon.
Our ideas THEIR industry and un developed resources.
Russia should offer FREE land to US citizens to develop since they are not as numerous and crammed into mostly established cities and towns.
It's like they don't like the woods.
The nutters won't stop until we genocide them with scortched earth or they are taken down by their own.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

OK but I still believe Ruskies have their own backyard that belongs to them like imagining how US would react to Russians taking over Canada and Mexico and doing a cookie club Nuland there. Out of interest where would scorch earth work? Against Russians or Islamics?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I WILL give the devil his due WE ALWAYS knew he wanted the Crimea, HE CANNOT have Ukraine or Moldova unless the people capitulate.
The Balkans...good luck... I'LL GO to HELP the Balkans if they WANT but I wouldn't want to occupy them.

Russia is retuning to all of this because we don't HAVE a real foreign policy and he is disgusted by Obamas weakness as a leader.
Not to mention THE ENTIRE WORLD wants a STABLE America instead of us all RUNNING around wanting to kill everything remotely like this,save the nutters of COURSE.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Rougly 40% of Ukraine is Pro Russia so Vlad should get Donbass Crimea plus Kharhov and some of Odessa if that Georgian inplant Sakkaashvilli can be side lined. Vlad has alreay got Belorus, Kazachstan, Armenia, two oter Stans, Nagorno in Azeri, bit of Moldova, he is clawing it all back. He knows he aint going to take the Baltics and why would he want Pro NAZIs in that region......................... Same goes for the Ukies, he will take the Pro Russian parts and leave Lvov and the north East Nazi leaning parts fro the EU to deal with and integrate

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

GERMANY wants this NOT the US,WE don't have a foreign policy just an SJW artist,we have thousands of them here they want the country to fall or a global government(WHEN HUMANITY IS LIKE THIS?).... and then RUSSIA will conveniently GRAB all the industrial sites as well?
Not gonna happen,he might as well start trying to annex China and get it over with.