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Obama Decree Targets Gunsmiths and Online Firearm Information

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posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 01:44 AM
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This article was published Aug 17 and is dealing with a POTUS decision/decree supposedly on 22, July of this year and according to the article could have the long sought after results of isolating an finally disarming the population by the thousand cut method. I really like the part where the article says, "Another controversial element of the decree would purport to unconstitutionally criminalize many forms of gun-related speech on the Internet". I love it for its' total stupidity! sarcasm
www.thenewamerican.com...

Anyone who does not obey the new decree would be subject to extreme criminal penalties, said analysts who investigated the new regulation. Even minor violations of the complex regulatory maze — designed to prevent the export of advanced military weaponry and technology to terror groups and dictators — could result in criminal prosecution. Countless small gunsmiths will be put out of business, experts said.

The illegal State Department edict purporting to reinterpret legislation passed by Congress makes a number of previously legal activities illegal without federal registration, regulation, and permission. Among other things, the rule bans any “machining, cutting, or drilling” on a firearm, or the use of any equipment on it without complying with the maze of licensing, regulation, and more applied to exporters of military equipment.

The scheme also bans reloading, except possibly on a round-by-round basis, according to analysts. It also prohibits the production of any firearm part whatsoever without the newly required federal licenses. Even assembling firearms kits could be illegal if done more than on an “occasional” basis, with the term occasional not even being defined in the new “guidance.”

A similarly illegal decree issued by Obama's ATF also uses vague, undefined language to threaten anyone who dares to privately sell a firearm with potential criminal prosecution — despite the fact that private sales are specifically exempt under the (already unconstitutional) laws passed by Congress. Separately, other Obama decrees are being used to disarm veterans and millions of elderly Americans receiving Social Security. And with Congress continuing to enable Obama, more illegal attacks on gun rights are expected before he leaves office.

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posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 01:52 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

We're going to need a correction against all of these cumulative assaults. We can't keep defending the shrinking the parameters of liberty without a legislative response. We must not be relegated to striking down the multitude of obscure and invasive legislative edicts.

It's time to recognize constitutional carry.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 01:52 AM
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So they make everyone a criminal...then what?

A law is only a law if passed by Congress...

Presidential edict is basically masturbation as it is not law.

I do agree that it is not the direction that I would like things to go.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 02:34 AM
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So anyone who works as a gun smith (which requires an FFL) and anyone making YouTube videos fall under ITAR now?

But remember Democrats don't want to infringe on the right to bear arms...Just everything surrounding it until that right is but a privilege for the elite.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 02:53 AM
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originally posted by: 727Sky
This article was published Aug 17 and is dealing with a POTUS decision/decree supposedly on 22, July of this year


Any chance of showing us that actual "decision/decree" supposedly issued last month?



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 03:30 AM
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a reply to: hellobruce

A pplicability of the ITAR Registration Requirement to Firearms Manufacturers and Gunsmiths US Department of State

Here..It was surprisingly easy to find.

EDIT TO ADD:

This is a PDF.
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posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 03:52 AM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: hellobruce

A pplicability of the ITAR Registration Requirement to Firearms Manufacturers and Gunsmiths US Department of State

Here..It was surprisingly easy to find.


That did NOT come from Obama, try again!



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 04:47 AM
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a reply to: hellobruce

You do know the Department of State is an executive branch department right?

You do know that this Department of State ITAR regulation was created as a guideline based on previous executive orders by President Obama right?

Maybe figure out what YOU are asking about first.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 06:38 AM
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Now lets argue which department don't know what the other is doing. Gguess why departmentalization was invented?

Anyway,


However, as has happened with virtually all of Obama's power grabs, opposition to the newest illegal edict is surging — this time among Second Amendment activists, gun owners, industry, and proponents of constitutional government.

See the word "Industry"? Firearms industry will never allow this to go through. Huge revenue loss.

Won't stop the control freaks from trying, though. Average joe has no clue how big the 'Smiths and reloading revenue stream is.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Shame on The New American for pushing this tripe. The PDF posted in following threads is short and anyone reading this post should open and read it.

DDTC has found that many – but not
all - traditional gunsmithing activities do not constitute manufacturing for ITAR purposes and,
therefore, do not require registration with DDTC.

The NA article is propagandist tripe.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 07:49 AM
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Regulations from Democrats are just more red tape and hassles for normal people .Those bastards are the most intolerant,manipulative,lying,sneaky,worthless scum this country has ever seen.You know they would have been Tories inthe Revolution,Nazi sympathizers,and communists...oh wait,they were recenty aknowldged by the communist party as commies.Sorry ,had a couple and ranting. I`m so sick of the mf`ers trying to steal all our freedoms had to go off a little.After guns, you know speech,right of assembly and religion are the next targets.Of course taxes will be so high under Hillary all we`ll worry about is our next meal-while our tax money goes to arming terrorists and welfare for illegals.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

And as usual legal and law abiding gun owners will follow this rules right?, I am sure they will.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: notmyrealname
A law is only a law if passed by Congress...


Yes a Law is only a Law if passed by Congress.

A REGULATION however can be passed by a Government Agency and can have the force of a Law.
All Federal Agencies are part of the Executive Branch.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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This should be so obvious to everybody. Even those people for "common sense" gun laws should be able to see this for what it is.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: 727Sky

We're going to need a correction against all of these cumulative assaults. We can't keep defending the shrinking the parameters of liberty without a legislative response. We must not be relegated to striking down the multitude of obscure and invasive legislative edicts.

It's time to recognize constitutional carry.



Here Here !



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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Rather odd to call this a decree - sounds like a monarchy.
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posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
Rather odd to call this a decree - sounds like a monarchy.


That's what executive orders are. Decrees with the force of law via the executive branch.

There's no authority in the constitution for executive decrees but Obama sure seems to love them.

I remember him whining about the unitary executive powers being amassed by Bush only to do the exact same thing on steroids.



posted on Aug, 18 2016 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

This is disturbing in its vagueness.



Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms


What is "special"? How about "improve the capability"?



The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability


A muzzle brake provides "enhanced capability"? If that's the case, where is the line drawn? Pretty much anywhere they say it is I guess.

BUT......



Machining new dovetails or drilling and tapping new holes for the installation of sights which do not improve the accuracy or operation of the firearm beyond its original capabilities


...is OK. Why in Heavens name would you bother putting new sights on which do not improve accuracy? Sounds like they simply want to provide a framework of gray to give agents and prosecutors even more leeway to hem up Average Joe if the need arises.

Are there really that many folks making weapons in their garage to sell to ISIS? Truckloads rolling down the highway? Is it such a threat to national security we need to codify it?



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 11:55 PM
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a reply to: ABNARTY

There are thousands of people making their own firearms for their own personal use, including me. We don't sell them, trade them, or engage in illegal activities with them.

We're the same class of people who build extreme off road vehicles, small drones, and do citizen science.

The enjoyment comes from doing the projects learning and having something unique...

Now the real problem with this sort of road block is that it WILL essentially kill innovation and technological progress in this country. The other problem is this type of decree is being applied to much more than just firearms. Drones, desktop manufacturing, and much much more are quietly being regulated out of the hands of hobbyists.

3d printing and desktop manufacturing existed for 30 years before key patents expired and hobbyists finally got their hands on it. Guess why you didn't hear about before those patents expired? The few people who grasped the significance of it saw it as a threat so they didn't do Jack with it!

The first decade of free for all moved the technology forwards an order of magnitude further than the first 30... The next 5 years have seen yet another order of magnitude further growth. This has certain people and large corporations very scared, and hence the rush to shove the genie back in the bottle.

All of this type of regulation is phrased like it's about national security and public safety, yet it's guns by colt rockets by nammo etc we see in the hands of moderate head choppers on the evening news not guns built by defense distributed mini mills!

It's about barriers to entry not public safety, and it is about protecting the plutocrats and kleptocrats not you or me!

Regardless of your feelings about guns or gun control or drones and privacy please fight for the citizen scientists garage innovators and the wacky drone guys because we built the Western world with a thriving middle class that's now disappearing. These regulations and others like them are a huge portion of why the middle class and the free and open Western society we love is dying.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 11:58 PM
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At what point do we say piss on democrats? They want to disarm people. At what point do we say piss on republicans? The republicans want to wage endless war.

Nukes = Deterrent
Firearms = Deterrent

Just what the hell is the deterrent against?

2nd amendment protects the 1st amendment... Don't forget that.



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