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Mandela Effect - Kidney Proof - Internal Organs Changed Position

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posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: TheMaxHeadroomIncident

Obviously some people DON'T understand it. If they did, there would be no Mandela effect threads, websites and YouTube videos.


You and many others seem to feel very intelligent and superior but you are the one with a lot to learn and closing your eyes is NOT Denying Ignorance or anything else!



Quantum Mechanics Forbids a Single History
Thomas Kuhn wrote that a paradigm defines “the practices that define a scientific discipline at a certain point in time.” When we notice that there is a strong possibility we are witnessing macroscopic signs of quantum phenomena as some of us recognize that we’ve been experiencing ‘glitches’ and shifts in reality for years, it becomes clear that rather than a conspiracy, we’re dealing with a radical re-visioning of reality. Thomas Kuhn described how there are four basic ways that a new paradigm influences the scientific process, because paradigms dictate: what is studied and researched, what types of questions are asked, the exact structure of the questions asked, and how research results are interpreted. Thanks to the work of physicists such as Stephen Hawking and Thomas Hertog suggesting back in 2006 that we might live in a “top down” universe which prohibits single histories, people are increasingly becoming more familiar with the idea that we exist in a superposition of states–such as in a holographic multiverse, where we can sometimes experience various other possible realities. Nature magazine reported Thomas Hertog stating,



cynthiasuelarson.wordpress.com...


I knew it was only a matter of time before someone quoted a psuedo scientific shaman about the inevitability of multiple dimensions.

There is zero empirical proof of alternate dimensions. They are searching for tiny, subatomic spatial dimensions at CERN to corroborate string theory, but so far no dice.

The strangeness of the quantum universe still falls into the scientific black box described by Niels Bohr many decades ago.

Can you read? Do you not get the point?



Stephen Hawking and Thomas Hertog suggesting back in 2006 that we might live in a “top down” universe which prohibits single histories, people are increasingly becoming more familiar with the idea that we exist in a superposition of states–such as in a holographic multiverse, where we can sometimes experience various other possible realities.




posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
If people have shifted timelines...

They don't. No one does. This is pure speculation on your part to ignore the most logical, rational and obvious answer that your memory is wrong.

But rather than accept that, you, like many other delusionals, believe "time" has shifted for some of you. Simply because you remember things wrong.

I have original VHS tapes and even laserdiscs which all show the quote as NIAYF.

The ONLY time I have ever heard LIAYF is out of context in sitcoms, other films, adverts, pop culture or other non-SW references where the decontexualised quote needed context, hence the alteration of "LIAYF".

Do you know why the CERN hoax sacrifice video was made, by CERN employees? Because of people like you, who believe the horsesh*t that ME is real, timeshifts are real and CERN is the cause of it



posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 04:40 PM
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SO SICK of this Mandela MYTH. Our organs DID NOT change. The stomach has always been to the left, the heart is still on the left - rarely someone is born with their heart on the right. There are always anomalies. Mandela effect is for the truly gullible! Ugh!!!



posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: Greggers

That's not the point, you guys act like the theories that were just mentioned are off limits,


No we don't. I love science fiction. I *write* science fiction. It's some of my favorite stuff in the world, and it's certainly not off limits as a topic of discussion.



and that people discussing them are all kooks.

Nope. The kookish behavior involves those who believe "shifting timelines" is a more likely explanation than "faulty memory," given what we know abut the nature of the physical world today.



You say the stuff is strange yourself, but you look down on people for not coming up with theories that are rational to you.

Wrong. I look down on people for suggesting that the solution involves something which hasn't even been proven to exist and which requires n degrees of leaps of logic, all with no empirical evidence, when a perfectly logical explanation is within reach. To discuss slipping timelines is one thing, and perfectly acceptable. To pretend like it's somehow preferable to faulty memory is silly.




You are just very close minded, waiting for the "all clear" from the whole scientific community before you even dare to look past the paradigm, of which you must admit it is always changing over the years.

I am not closed minded. I do however refuse to believe in aspects of the physical world that have not been validated empirically. That doesn't mean I can't entertain them. Like I said, science fiction is some of my favorite stuff in the world.



Quantum Eraser and Delayed Eraser experiments have already shown that time is not linear for instance and I see only one explanation for the behavior of particles in these experiments.


The Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser is one of my favorite experiments in the world. I could talk for days about how it fits into a digital paradigm of a simulated universe. While I might write stories about what it would be like to discover we're living in a computer simulation, you'll never catch me arguing that it's a preferable scientific solution at present to a simple "I don't now."



posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: TheMaxHeadroomIncident

Obviously some people DON'T understand it. If they did, there would be no Mandela effect threads, websites and YouTube videos.


You and many others seem to feel very intelligent and superior but you are the one with a lot to learn and closing your eyes is NOT Denying Ignorance or anything else!



Quantum Mechanics Forbids a Single History
Thomas Kuhn wrote that a paradigm defines “the practices that define a scientific discipline at a certain point in time.” When we notice that there is a strong possibility we are witnessing macroscopic signs of quantum phenomena as some of us recognize that we’ve been experiencing ‘glitches’ and shifts in reality for years, it becomes clear that rather than a conspiracy, we’re dealing with a radical re-visioning of reality. Thomas Kuhn described how there are four basic ways that a new paradigm influences the scientific process, because paradigms dictate: what is studied and researched, what types of questions are asked, the exact structure of the questions asked, and how research results are interpreted. Thanks to the work of physicists such as Stephen Hawking and Thomas Hertog suggesting back in 2006 that we might live in a “top down” universe which prohibits single histories, people are increasingly becoming more familiar with the idea that we exist in a superposition of states–such as in a holographic multiverse, where we can sometimes experience various other possible realities. Nature magazine reported Thomas Hertog stating,



cynthiasuelarson.wordpress.com...


I knew it was only a matter of time before someone quoted a psuedo scientific shaman about the inevitability of multiple dimensions.

There is zero empirical proof of alternate dimensions. They are searching for tiny, subatomic spatial dimensions at CERN to corroborate string theory, but so far no dice.

The strangeness of the quantum universe still falls into the scientific black box described by Niels Bohr many decades ago.

Can you read? Do you not get the point?



Stephen Hawking and Thomas Hertog suggesting back in 2006 that we might live in a “top down” universe which prohibits single histories, people are increasingly becoming more familiar with the idea that we exist in a superposition of states–such as in a holographic multiverse, where we can sometimes experience various other possible realities.


No, I cannot read. Therefore, I had to rely on telepathy to glean the meaning of your post, and that method is sometimes not reliable. For example, you seem to be asking me to bake you a cookie. I don't really know how to bake. And I don't have any tacos.



posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 04:59 PM
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O.o
Because kidneys protected by ribs would be an easy strike.........
Rrrrriiiiiggghhhtttttt.



posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: Greggers




The Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser is one of my favorite experiments in the world. I could talk for days about how it fits into a digital paradigm of a simulated universe.


Mine too.

If you already got that far why is it such a big leap to theorise that the simulation is being messed with. It seems that under these circumstances such a thing would be possible. If reality is a simulation then there must be a source controlling it, or maybe it can be hacked, or maybe there is a glitch(in the Matrix).




edit on 21-8-2016 by TheMaxHeadroomIncident because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: Greggers




The Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser is one of my favorite experiments in the world. I could talk for days about how it fits into a digital paradigm of a simulated universe.


Mine too.

If you already got that far why is it such a big leap to theorise that the simulation is being messed with. It seems that under these circumstances such a thing would be possible. If reality is a simulation then there must be a source controlling it, or maybe it can be hacked.


I actually think that's an AWESOME idea. Truly. In fact, my next novel involves very similar concepts, so clearly it's something I'm very into.

But like I said, you'll never hear me say that I believe such a thing is more likely to be true, in the real world, than explanations with more solid empirical support. Because in the real world, we learn about the physical world by gathering empirical evidence, and by applying what has been proven to known mysteries. Or, if there is no satisfactory answer within the confines of proven science, we look to define new hypothesis and prove those.

You *will* hear me pontificating ad nauseum about all manner of things which cannot be proven, it's just that you'll never hear me claiming it's more likely than something substantiated.



posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: noonebutme




They don't. No one does. This is pure speculation on your part to ignore the most logical, rational and obvious answer that your memory is wrong.


But that's what I just said people would say to me if I actually did shift timelines.




But rather than accept that, you, like many other delusionals, believe "time" has shifted for some of you. Simply because you remember things wrong.


I believe the theory has merit. Not because I remember things differently, but because I share these memories with other people.




I have original VHS tapes and even laserdiscs which all show the quote as NIAYF.


There it is again. Derp. Off course they do, I wouldn't expect it anything different, they would be from this timeline.

If they said LIAYF then I wouldn't be talking about how I remember it differently.........




The ONLY time I have ever heard LIAYF is out of context in sitcoms, other films, adverts, pop culture or other non-SW references where the decontexualised quote needed context, hence the alteration of "LIAYF".


Well I didn't.





Do you know why the CERN hoax sacrifice video was made, by CERN employees? Because of people like you, who believe the horsesh*t that ME is real, timeshifts are real and CERN is the cause of it


Ehm ok. Not that I mentioned it. Seems they are taking it pretty serious.








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posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: Greggers




You *will* hear me pontificating ad nauseum about all manner of things which cannot be proven, it's just that you'll never hear me claiming it's more likely than something substantiated.


I never said it's more likely, and have always said that I can't be proven.

It doesn't matter what is more likely, since this doesn't exclude anything. And furthermore, you have no way of knowing how likely such a shift is.



posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: Greggers




No, I cannot read.


I am so sorry, please ask your Mom to read the rest for you and explain.



posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: SeaWorthy

This is why I can't even begin to be insulted by you asking how old I am. It's obvious you are a weak minded individual who, as most ME people, devolves to grade school level insults when they are being thoroughly rebutted.



posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: Greggers




You *will* hear me pontificating ad nauseum about all manner of things which cannot be proven, it's just that you'll never hear me claiming it's more likely than something substantiated.


I never said it's more likely, and have always said that I can't be proven.

It doesn't matter what is more likely, since this doesn't exclude anything. And furthermore, you have no way of knowing how likely such a shift is.


When I asked if you preferred the "shifting timelines" hypothesis over the "faulty memory" hypothesis, I took that to mean that you thought the former was more likely than the latter. Is that not what you meant?

As far as the likelihood goes, it is against all known logical axioms and all tenets of science to believe a theory with no empirical evidence is preferred over one with some. It's not about knowing how likely something is... It's about a way of looking at the world in which faith-based solutions are less preferred (i.e. less likely) than empirical solutions.Science is really the only tool man has to understand the *physical* world, as it is based on empirical observations and measurements. So what we're talking about here is a materialistic approach to culling testable solutions from untestable solutions, which is the only way science can work, and is therefore the only way humans can learn about the physical portions of the world around them.

The non-physical components of the world (morals, philosophy, etc.) are a completely different animal, but that's another thread for another time.
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posted on Aug, 21 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: Greggers




No, I cannot read.


I am so sorry, please ask your Mom to read the rest for you and explain.


I told you I don't know how to bake.



posted on Aug, 22 2016 @ 01:11 AM
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originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: SeaWorthy

This is why I can't even begin to be insulted by you asking how old I am. It's obvious you are a weak minded individual who, as most ME people, devolves to grade school level insults when they are being thoroughly rebutted.

Pot...

Kettle...

Black...



posted on Aug, 22 2016 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
I believe the theory has merit. Not because I remember things differently, but because I share these memories with other people.

No. You don't "share" these memories with people. What you share, is the same ability and likelihood to 'forget' things. You, like many others, are remembering things incorrectly due to the influence of mass media and the cultural impact of the ever increasing amount of media that bombards our lives.

You aren't alone. I remember things wrong too. Everyone does. But I don't need to pretend in some fictitious myth to explain it away, rather that using common sense, rational thought and probability.

And what's even more amazing is, the more and more you lunatics perpetuate this phoney bollocks, the more other misguided, ill-remembered people will say, "Hey.. you're right.. it was LIAYF" to which someone else thinks, "Hey yeh..." and so on and so on.

You guys are your own worst enemy.



posted on Aug, 22 2016 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: Ruiner1978

Please, by all means quote where I have reduced to you mom jokes? I can't help it you take everything you are told in an attempt to educate you as an insult. This is a defense mechanism for those who have a hard time learning or are insecure with their mental faculties.

The worst I have done in this thread is point out your lack of education. It's glaringly obvious. Don't be insulted by that, go educate yourself. It's easily remedied. A lack of education is not a lack of mental ability. If you choose to accept your lack of education over hard facts, then you cross into the realm of stupidity and willful ignorance.

Lack of education is pertinent to the thread because that seems to be a common theme among those who are hardline ME believers.
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posted on Aug, 22 2016 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: noonebutme

Max also shares the same FACTORS that would cause people to remember wrong. A paper was linked previously with a study about a blue door vs a red door. They were all given factors that might lead them to remember a blue door instead of the red door they just walked through. The majority of them remembered a blue door even though it was a red door they walked through. They had all been given the same environment to have the same false memory. That's all the ME is. The shared memory is nothing more than shared circumstance.



posted on Aug, 22 2016 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: Greggers
To discuss slipping timelines is one thing, and perfectly acceptable. To pretend like it's somehow preferable to faulty memory is silly.


But you're missing a key point here: belief in 'ME' allows the believer to take what seems to be obviously a faulty or mis-coded memory and turn it from having a common human fault to having instead a special power. An ability others don't have. The believer is one of the few who are 'in the know'. They didn't misremember, they're the special ones who recall the alternate timeline. This changes them from the common to the special. MUCH more appealing that way.



posted on Aug, 22 2016 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: Bedlam

And such is the case unfortunately. One user even refers to themselves as an x-man over this. It's delusions of grandeur.



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