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Trumps tide has turned

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posted on Aug, 16 2016 @ 06:13 PM
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originally posted by: DelMarvel
The U.S. is currently providing air support for Iranian financed Shia militias led by Iranian military personnel in attacks on IS in Iraq.

And the Iranians are also financing IS? So, the Iranians are fighting against themselves?


It's been known for some time that Iran are funding ISIS through Hamas in Sinai. Your mistake is believing that Iran chooses a side across the whole region. They fight ISIS where it benefits them and they fund them where it benefits, all to suit their own aims. If the middle east was as simple as army A vs army B it would be much easier to clean up. Unfortunately it isn't.

www.thetower.org...

www.ynetnews.com...

www.thetower.org...

www.washingtoninstitute.org...

www.bicom.org.uk...

Just some links to get you started.




edit on 16/8/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 16 2016 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: theantediluvian

I am with you on every thing you said re: Obama.

He did inherit a colossal mistake with Iraq..
He did have to pay the bill on the Wall St Bailout..
Jobs, Industry were all in decline..

For years people complained (me included) that this was Bush's fault and the Obama government needed to be given time to work it out. I was 100% in that frame of mind,I like Obama and I believe he could have done great things if the republicans didn't fight him every step of the way

But, none of that matters any more. What matters is who is the best person to expose all that corruption and the crap policies and do something about them.

That person is most definitely NOT Hillary Clinton - and this is only a 2 horse race.


The coruption has been exposed people just unwilling to accept it. We know Hillary broke the law. Will she be prosecuted I doubt it.and in fact a politician lying doesn't really shock me even under oath. What does concern me is thr ties to the Clinton foundation and her job as sec of state. She appears to have sold influence to the state dept. That in itself is treason.



posted on Aug, 16 2016 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

So...Bush's fault.

You could have saved a lot of ink.


I didn't know Bush was potus for the last 16yrs.

Go Trump!!



posted on Aug, 16 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: choocha
His tide has turned because he was able to read a prepared speech that someone else wrote for him off of a teleprompter? Is that where the bar is set for him less than 3 months to the general? LOL



Let's see what he does when his prompter goes out.

If Obama wrote his own speeches, he wouldn't have so much trouble finishing the sentence when it quits.






posted on Aug, 16 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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Here are some very good statistics to take a look at. They drill down quite well.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

As far as inherited this, sorry, you took the job. 7 years in there is NO reason to blame another party or how the house and senate was split etc etc....



posted on Aug, 16 2016 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
Whether we like it or not the USA is a world leader and more so there than anywhere else what happens affects the rest of the world.

The very fact that your reading this post on this site means you are aware that something is seriously wrong with the current narrative thats shoved down our throughts by the msn and by extension the military industrial complex.

In my opinion a vote for Hillary is a vote for TPTB to keep bending us over and doing us roughly without lube or even a courtesy reach around.

A vote for Trump is saying "F you current political system, we deserve better"
Now whether Trump is actually an outsider is up for debate but its a hard and fast undeniable fact Hillary is up to her eyeballs in the current corrupt system.

Its time to roll the dice America, have the balls to change the status quo and more than likely the world will follow.

It was a great speech and its my sincere hope that he does win

GO TRUMP!!!!


As to Trump’s outsider status; he has Paul Manafort(of Nixon CREEP fame/former consultant for Vicktor Yanukovich of Urkraine) running his campaign, he's recently adopted what is basically Paul Ryan's economic plan, his military advisor is the former leader of Blackwater(or the firm formely known as such). Also Roger Stone is in the mix and his former campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, is affiliated with Americans for Prosperity, a Koch brothers operation. Also look at his surrogates. Chris Christie for example. A "real" political outsider?

Its almost as if Trump says what the audience wanta to hear and then can literally, in the next sentence, contradict himself. He has literally changed positions so many times it's become hard to count. But alas he is a salesman and is doing what salesmen do well. He was probably correct in his remarks that if he shot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue he wouldn't loose any supporters.

Also, with respect to his plan for tackling IS, there was a rare decent editorial that appeared on CNN by Peter Bergen that illustrated that the bulk of Trump’s plan is already being pursued by the Pentagon.

And just for the record I am certainly NO FAN OF HILLARY. It's just a bit odd to me that so many have flocked to the fascist known as Trump. People are more than happy to question her mental health(and they should) but what about this guy? To me he seems like an egotistical narcissistic phsyco! At least based on his previous statements and behavior. Though it does seem that he is beginning to fall in line with the party elites bases on his selection of advisors and some recent remarks.

Either way the US is totally fubar'd with either major candidate for potus in the white house. I'm just unsure who will do the least amount of damage yet.

edit on 16-8-2016 by s3cz0ne because: Damned mobile phones!



posted on Aug, 16 2016 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

So I started watching the speech and the first line out of Trump's mouth was totally wrong factually "In the 20th century America has defeated Fascism, Nazism and Communism" As a non-American I have to wonder what is in your history books. Anyone who has studied WW2 in historical depth knows that the Americans did not defeat the Nazis, the Allies did with England doing most of the fighting until 1941 in the West until the Americans finally showed up and Russia in the east who probably contributed the most to the downfall of the Nazis and and an incredible cost in lives and land. Yes the Americans were eventually part of the team, and they did supply war materials in the early parts of the war but they but it was an international effort that ended the Nazis.

Fascism is alive and well today. Right now we are seeing fascists taking power in Turkey and already have in other American allies. No one has defeated fascism. As for communism being defeated, this will come a surprise to Communist countries still around and doing quite well. True communism did collapse in Europe but not because of the Americans. I watched it happen, it was an internal revolution. It was a remarkable period of history to be witness to.

Communism fell because of boiling over of anti-communist sentiment in eastern Europe set in motion by Gorbachev's glasnost ("openness") and perestroika ("restructuring"). This paved the way for the worker's revolt in Poland at the Gdansk shipyards by Solidarity led by Lech Wałęsa. There was the emergence of détente between east and west which allowed Honecker in East Germany to move to normalize relationships between the two Germanies eventually leading to unification. In Romania, the Romanian Revolution took place in1989 when Nicolae Ceaușescu order soldiers to fire on demonstrators and the people and army turned against him eventually executing him and his wife. And so it goes, uprisings and revolutions by the people of the old Warsaw pact countries and territories of the USSR until 1991 dissolution of the USSR. No the Americans did not defeat communism, the people of those countries did.

So that is after only the first line. Now I'll listen to more and see if he gets any better. So far my opinion of what I have heard is not great.
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edit on 2016-8-16 by metamagic because: I'm OCD



posted on Aug, 16 2016 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: CrapAsUsual

The problem for me is that Donald doesnt use common sense and discipline,...


That is a pretty good argument for not letting him be president and having access to those nuclear launch codes.



posted on Aug, 16 2016 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: metamagic

Wow, you should run for President!

You didn't mention Cuba or China, tho.










posted on Aug, 16 2016 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: wrathofall
I am more for Mr. TRUMP than any candidate I've witnessed in my entire 47 years. If he is all bull and doesn't do anything he promised, at least he isn't Hillary and her treasonous cohorts. May all the gods help us if she gets in. My 2 cents. My vote.


I feel so sorry for you Americans that the best reason you have for voting for a candidate is that they are not as bad as the other candidate. Wow, you are all so screwed no matter what happens in November.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 01:46 AM
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Trump speech was great, and we can only hope he can implement even half of his plans. However we must never forget the alternative. Voting for Hillary is to vote for the complete globalist enslavement of the US. Not only is the woman totally corrupt, even to the point of siphoning off funds meant for suffering Haitians for her own personal use, but she has also been implicated as a Chinese agent.

America will not survive a Hillary presidency. Unfortunately most Americans simply do not understand what a tool of the oligarchs this woman is.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 01:52 AM
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a reply to: metamagic

While arguably the USSR bore the brunt of the Nazi attack, it was America that bore the brunt of the Pacific war in Japan and it was in fact America who financially supported the Russians and it was America who led the attack on D day and kept Western europe ultimately out of Soviet hands.

Without America, you would all be speaking German or Japanese or would be dead.

America also defeated communism by putting stress on their failed economic system. That led to the unrest and eventual collapse.

Unfortunately under Hillary we will have America being ruled by elite oligarchs and satanists. This bodes evil for the rest of the world.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 03:18 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop
Have you ever thought that the world is not revolving around America. A good thought to add in your morning list.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 03:20 AM
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I love it.

This thread massively backfired.


I don't understand how anyone can not agree with what he's saying..


Maybe because a lot of it is untrue?

It just shows that Trump supporters are more interested in pretty words than facts.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 03:25 AM
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originally posted by: SudoNim
I love it.

This thread massively backfired.


I don't understand how anyone can not agree with what he's saying..


Maybe because a lot of it is untrue?

It just shows that Trump supporters are more interested in pretty words than facts.



You mean "presidential" words, don't you?

He sounded really presidential to me.

Almost like obama but truer.

I thought you anti trumpers wanted that.





posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 06:22 AM
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originally posted by: metamagic
a reply to: Agit8dChop

So I started watching the speech and the first line out of Trump's mouth was totally wrong factually "In the 20th century America has defeated Fascism, Nazism and Communism" As a non-American I have to wonder what is in your history books. Anyone who has studied WW2 in historical depth knows that the Americans did not defeat the Nazis, the Allies did with England doing most of the fighting until 1941 in the West until the Americans finally showed up and Russia in the east who probably contributed the most to the downfall of the Nazis and and an incredible cost in lives and land. Yes the Americans were eventually part of the team, and they did supply war materials in the early parts of the war but they but it was an international effort that ended the Nazis.

Fascism is alive and well today. Right now we are seeing fascists taking power in Turkey and already have in other American allies. No one has defeated fascism. As for communism being defeated, this will come a surprise to Communist countries still around and doing quite well. True communism did collapse in Europe but not because of the Americans. I watched it happen, it was an internal revolution. It was a remarkable period of history to be witness to.

Communism fell because of boiling over of anti-communist sentiment in eastern Europe set in motion by Gorbachev's glasnost ("openness") and perestroika ("restructuring"). This paved the way for the worker's revolt in Poland at the Gdansk shipyards by Solidarity led by Lech Wałęsa. There was the emergence of détente between east and west which allowed Honecker in East Germany to move to normalize relationships between the two Germanies eventually leading to unification. In Romania, the Romanian Revolution took place in1989 when Nicolae Ceaușescu order soldiers to fire on demonstrators and the people and army turned against him eventually executing him and his wife. And so it goes, uprisings and revolutions by the people of the old Warsaw pact countries and territories of the USSR until 1991 dissolution of the USSR. No the Americans did not defeat communism, the people of those countries did.

So that is after only the first line. Now I'll listen to more and see if he gets any better. So far my opinion of what I have heard is not great.


You do realise that more American soldiers died in WW2 than British right? Yes they were part of a team and all members of that team defeated Nazi's so its perfectly acceptable for him to say America defeated Nazism, just like Britain defeated Nazism, or Russia defeated Nazism. The fact you took it a as a slight on other nations is your problem.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 06:25 AM
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originally posted by: SevenThunders
a reply to: metamagic

While arguably the USSR bore the brunt of the Nazi attack, it was America that bore the brunt of the Pacific war in Japan and it was in fact America who financially supported the Russians and it was America who led the attack on D day and kept Western europe ultimately out of Soviet hands.

Without America, you would all be speaking German or Japanese or would be dead.

America also defeated communism by putting stress on their failed economic system. That led to the unrest and eventual collapse.

Unfortunately under Hillary we will have America being ruled by elite oligarchs and satanists. This bodes evil for the rest of the world.


It should also be noted that Churchill knew there was no victory without America.


Winston Churchill was standing in front of the washbasin in his bedroom and shaving with his old-fashioned Valet razor when his son Randolph burst in. Churchill had been prime minister for a week, taking over in a crisis as German troops were on the march, scything through Belgium and France and heading for the Channel ports. Randolph sat and waited. Later, he described what happened next.

'After two or three minutes of hacking away at his face, he half-turned and said: "I think I see my way through." He resumed his shaving.

'I was astounded, and said: "Do you mean that we can avoid defeat?" (which seemed credible) "or beat the bastards?" (which seemed incredible).

He flung his razor into the basin, swung around and said with great intensity: "Of course we can beat them. I shall drag the United States in."' Here was a characteristic Churchillian flash of revelation, and all the more brilliant because it came in 1940, when the fighting had barely begun and the prospect of the U.S. joining in was remote.


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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 06:36 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

You do realise that more American soldiers died in WW2 than British right?


No they didn't.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 07:21 AM
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originally posted by: SudoNim

originally posted by: UKTruth

You do realise that more American soldiers died in WW2 than British right?


No they didn't.


According to The National WWII Museum

Military deaths
United Kingdom 383,600
United States 416,800

www.nationalww2museum.org...://www.google.co.uk/



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 07:27 AM
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Another great speech by Trump - this time on law and order...



The guy is literally working himself to the bone.




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