a reply to: ketsuko
We are before the era of the 144,000 the era of peace as told in some Catholic prophecies. It is clearly said in the Revelation 7 the 144,000 sealed
Jews come at that time, long before the beast in Revelation 13, before the Manchild in Revelation 12. They are NOT martyrs because they appear again
in Revelation 14 standing and singing on Mt Zion. They are young Jews, male, innocent. They serve the Lamb and God. They will bring the kingdom of God
in an era of peace, before the final Trib.
I have extended analysis on Revelation 12 in separate tread. There is a loophole between the birth of the manchild and the cast down of satan. The
loophole is made because in that time the war in heaven takes place between countless angels vs demons in billions star systems divided 2:1. That war
in the Universe will take quite much time. At that same time the Woman is not persecuted, although she gave birth of the child who was caught up. She
stands first in space near moon (on orbit?) then she is seen on the surface of earth. Only when the space war is over, only then satan and his
draconian army is cast down to earth to persecute the woman. Those are sequences that better the educated people trace in detail. Trying to see the
things not from the earth plane but from the heavenly/cosmic plane because it is much easier. Trying to differentiate moments not happening "in a
blink of an eye" but taking their time to fulfill. I already did that. Can't link it to here, read my threads.
The Jewish understanding is not the same as the Christian understanding or terminology. The Jewish terminology has only available name Messiah. It may
coincide with the Christian expectation of the 144,000 and he to be one of them. Something like a group leader or so. Or the manchild, who cannot be
baby Jesus! How those christian scholars want to see baby Jesus grabbed to heaven, when the historic truth of Jesus is otherwise??? The manchild is
not being explained up until now satisfactory enough by catholic or other scholars. He is a personage to come. He is holy before God and is doing
God's mission not only on earth but also in space. He is born in space near moon (on orbit?) and then brought up before God's throne wherever it is.
Then he has to rule all nations with a rod of iron. All earthly nations or all planets?
It is a time to switch to galactic mode if we want to explain many things that are unexplainable from the surface of earth. Jesus said, if I talked to
you about earthly things and you don't understand me, how do you want to understand me if I start talking about heavenly things?
So I am not afraid of any beast, because the beast should rise only after the Draconians are cast down together with their leader. And that can''t
happen before the Manchild to be born, and before the 144,000 to appear on earth. Perhaps they are already here. As of the dragons who rule 1/3 of the
skies, one may inform himself about the ET called Draconians. As of the beast of iron, according to Daniel, one may want to read or watch more of the
creatures called Transformers. It is not only images of the history but of the future.
For now we have to expect some kind of era of peace, not necessarily the millenial kingdom as some adversaries of the idea always constantly attack
that it cannot be because it cannot be, because Augustine or someone else said so. Not Jesus though. With or without millenial kingdom, era of peace
of God's kingdom of beatitudes given by Jesus' mission on earth is fully within the grasp of humanity, if it turns away from its violent instincts.
Not all will choose it though. The Jewish scholars say, 1/3 will survive the cataclysm, and therefore it is 1/3 to inherit the new earth.
There is no controversy if tomorrow we have one Jewish messiah with his close friends and aides, that according to my understanding will be the first
group of God-appointed 144,000 sealed young Jewish males who have a mission surpassing our own. So says the Revelation, if we take it for true. And if
we don't take it for true, (there are pros and cons) then we'd better write off the number of the beast as well, because nowhere in the Bible, in the
Gospels, such number and such mark ever exist. I think Jesus should've mentioned it, but I'm not going to discuss about the mark now. Only say, we
either accept fully the Revelation, including with the 144,000 messianic Jews, and later the manchild who may not set food on earth at all (born on
orbit and taken to God the Father he may command other planets but he may visit earth as well). Or we don't believe in the Revelation book at all.