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A Wild Cut-and-Pete-Paste..Could This Happen?

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posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 02:42 PM
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Here’s a very scary thought…………..at least for me! It's pure speculation,
and please Mods-- this thread belongs at best in the Mud Pit, if anywhere.
It bears being repeated at ATS; because the concept is so twisted, the
damned thing might fly with the state of the republic as is.


I had to take my vehicle to the mechanic the other day for service.
The Service Manager, Pete, gave me a ride home: and on the way he
told me his theory about the upcoming election, and the next four
years’ projected consequences to the federal government.

At first I thought it was far-fetched… but as I listened to his details it
began to make sense, scary sense:
“I believe that Hillary Clinton will win the election in November,”
Pete began. “Then, sometime between November and January, Hillary
will be indicted. The IRS is now investigating the Clinton Foundation--
and the whole e-mail thing isn’t over yet.”

“Once under indictment, she won’t be able to assume the Office of the
President in January. Tim Kaine (who will not actually be the Vice Presi-
dent because neither he nor Hillary have been inaugurated), cannot
assume the Presidency.”

“The Speaker of the House can’t move up to it: because there is already
a sitting President and Vice President. So President Obama, in an Execu-
tive Order citing 'an emergency situation', gives himself another four
years of office in the only way possible.”

Pete believes Obama has been planning this for a while now, knowing
he has enough on Hillary to indict her. Had the Attorney General indicted
her based on evidence from the FBI early on, this plan wouldn’t have worked--
because the DNC would have just ponied up with another candidate.
Besides: the PTB sure didn't like the Bernie idea, by the looks of the DNC leaks.

If you think about it, it’s not that outrageous. Many people on the left,
including of course the President, wish Obama to stay another four years.
The law prohibits him from being re-elected, so the only ways he can do it
is by declaring martial law: and suspending the election (which would be a
very negative thing for the country); or to declare himself still President
because the elected candidate cannot assume her duties.

The latter makes more sense, and is actually more feasible. And since it’s
never been done before, it would set a precedent that would be difficult
to challenge. Of course, if Trump wins the election none of this would likely
happen.

But what if Pete is correct? Four more years of Obama and a mostly useless
Republican House and Senate would give Obama the time he needs to finish
destroying changing the country to fit his stated goal to “transform America”.
Interjected by OPer… maybe our Constitutional law scholar has a scheme to
get in long enough to finish up because he might indeed BE that devious.


I thanked Pete for the ride home – and for messing up my day.
Now I’ve got more one more thing to worry about besides 'Frick v. Flake'!
But T&C forbids me from appropriately “F” nicknaming the incumbent.

Watcha think, ATS gang? I'll get the marshmelons, flame away.




posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: derfreebie

Obama, declaring state of emergency to get four more years?

Possible, but highly unlikely if you ask me. He'll only get flamed even more by the Right - and also by the Left, as the Left will see his administration as an obstacle for the newcomers.

In any instances, I think he's growing tired of the puppet master's strings.

It's more probable that if Hillary gets kicked out, then Trump will become the front runner by default.


edit on 11-8-2016 by swanne because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: derfreebie

Wouldn't work, even if that did happen, he's still not legally allowed to be President anymore than Hillary or her vice president would be. At best such a convoluted strategy would cause Obama's vice president, Joe Biden to become active president as he'd be the only one legally capable at that time, and even then, only til things got sorted out by congress, even if it required holding another election.

There's simply no way Obama is getting another 4 years.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 02:53 PM
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Michelle would kill him!!



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 02:53 PM
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Well, on the bright side, we wouldn't see a Hillary OR Trump presidency.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 02:55 PM
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I think if the president elect becomes unable to fulfill their obligations, it looks like the Vice-President elect assumes the role:


If a winning Presidential candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the counting of electoral votes in Congress and the inauguration, the Vice President elect will become President, according to Section 3 of the 20th Amendment.


archives.gov

I would assume the an indictment would incapacitate the President elect, but I could be wrong.

 


Section 3 of the 20th Amendment:


Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.



source
edit on 11-8-2016 by jadedANDcynical because: added relevant section



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: derfreebie

The only issue is that a criminally indicted President Elect is not barred from the Presidency. If she were to step down the Electors, who actually vote in December, can vote for someone else.





edit on 11-8-2016 by AugustusMasonicus because: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: derfreebie

Obama, declaring state of emergency to get four more years?

Possible, but highly unlikely if you ask me. He'll only get flamed even more by the Right - and also by the Left, as the Left will see his administration as an obstacle for the newcomers.

In any instances, I think he's growing tired of the puppet master's strings.

It's more probable that if Hillary gets kicked out, then Trump will become the front runner by default.



I agree completely that the two term limit for the President can't be
circumvented-- and there's no legal precedent yet: except for the
legitimate candidate's being elected, and then disqualified.
That's a whole new can of worms, except I'll also agree that the
Supremes would declare the next eligible President to be Trump
by default. It could be nasty all around to negate the de facto
election, but it'd be constitutionally sound as well.
Look at what happened in 2000 with just the Florida poll controversy...



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 03:02 PM
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We've already seen unprecedented activity this election season, it makes one wonder what else we will experience before all is said and done.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: derfreebie

Tell your mechanic not to worry, his scenario isn't possible.

If for ANY reason the President-Elect cannot take the Oath of Office, the Vice-President does as per the Constitution.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 03:11 PM
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Some electors are bound by state rules on their votes. A replacement nominee may not get elected.

This is after the vice president elect issue mentioned above.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove

Really?? I thought if something happened to the newly elected president, the office would then go to the vice president-elect unless Congress does something to override that. Is this a recent change or something??



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 03:13 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: derfreebie

The only issue is that a criminally indicted President Elect is not barred from the Presidency. If she were to step down the Electors, who actually vote in December, can vote for someone else.






Ham on Raw, Tim Kaine-- I haven't to my embarrassment done any
research on how well he ran Virginia from 2000; but my gut feeling
is bubbling up that 50+ multivitamin and store brand smoothie.
Tim Kaine suddenly as POTUS is making me wonder if potential
incompetency or criminal expertise is much of a ticket either.

I guess if it's legal, it's all good: Hil dodges the bullet AND standing.
[guess we can keep the whole truth from coming out ONE way 'r another)
Considering the fallout risk from the Foundation's full exposure,
the alternative does taste somewhat better than cities on fire.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 03:16 PM
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Obama has no ability to himself in power. It simply does not exist. And the man clearly has no interest in it either. Also before any iniditement of Clinton somebody would have to charge her and then their would be investigation that could take up to a year.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: derfreebie

It is sad, very sad, that it has come to the point where a scenario such as your hypothetical does not sound utterly outrageous in the least to me...but that's the truth. I fully believe without hesitation that if some loophole, no matter how tiny, were available to facilitate such a thing, they would do whatever it takes to force their way through it.

However, I don't think he could get another four years in any case. I know I read somewhere that a small chance exists for him to have two more years, but I cannot remember what would have to happen in order to pull it off.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 03:56 PM
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Can't happen.

The Vice President takes the Oath of Office as President.

Can't be any simpler than that.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: Leonidas
The Vice President takes the Oath of Office as President.

Can't be any simpler than that.


That is only if the President Elect has been qualified by the Congress after the Electors vote. If it is prior to this the Electors can select a new President Elect.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 04:32 PM
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Will the American Pharoah take the triple crown? Is it legal? Does he obey the law? Could it possibly come about, and how would it come about? Hell if I know, but I wouldnt put it past him.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 04:32 PM
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Obama is sick and tired of the whole business and now that his pension is in the bag, he can't wait to get out of there.

Not to worry though, Bill Clinton will just pay somebody a social call on their private plane after staffers have been banned from recording pictures or video of same, and everything will be copacetic for Hillary once again.

That's the deal they made when he sabotaged her from getting 8 years after his 8 years, what with that whole cigar/annoying the help thing.

100 Billion Dollars laundered through the Clinton Foundation will buy you a lot of cooperation. And the FBI. And the Justice Department.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 04:36 PM
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Do you think, maybe... if Obama hasn't destroyed America in 8 years, he's not going to destroy it even given another 4?




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