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The Trump & Clinton Fact thread

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posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Here's a few examples of Trump cheerleading policy positions that he now condemns and lies about having supported.

1. At the Feb 13 CBS debate in South Carolina, Donald Trump said:


"I'm the only one on this stage that said, ‘Do not go into Iraq. Do not attack Iraq,’ " Trump said. "Nobody else on this stage said that. And I said it loud and strong. And I was in the private sector. I wasn't a politician, fortunately. But I said it, and I said it loud and clear, ‘You'll destabilize the Middle East.’ "


This is a claim Trump has made on numerous occasions. A few months earlier, when it was questioned at another GOP debate, his response was:


At a Republican debate in September of last year, Trump said he could provide 25 stories showing his early opposition to the Iraq War.

“You can check it out, check out — I’ll give you 25 different stories,” Trump said.


Well of course he never came up with 25 stories or even 1 example, because it was all nonsense. A variety of outfits have scoured available sources for months looking for Trump's statements about the impending invasion. This is what they've come up with:


In the interview, which took place on Sept. 11, 2002, Stern asked Trump directly if he was for invading Iraq.

“Yeah, I guess so,” Trump responded. “I wish the first time it was done correctly.”


Later in 2003, in an interview with Neil Cavuto:


TRUMP: Well, I`m starting to think that people are much more focused now on the economy. They are getting a little bit tired of hearing,
 we`re going in, we`re not going in, the - you know, whatever happened to the days of the Douglas MacArthur. He would go and attack. He wouldn’t talk. We have to - you know, it`s sort like either do it or don`t do it.


It wasn't until 2004, a year after the invasion that anyone was able to track down any public comments from Donald Trump in which he was against the war.

Sources:

BuzzFeed
Politifact< br />

2. During the last GOP debate in February, just before Super Tuesday, Donald Trump said:


"He said I was in favor of Libya? I never discussed that subject. I was in favor of Libya? We would be so much better off if Gadhafi were in charge right now."


That's not true.


THE FACTS: He actually argued on numerous occasions, and fervently so, that the U.S. should intervene to stop a humanitarian disaster in Libya. He said the U.S. would have a "major black eye" if it didn't take out Moammar Gadhafi, the autocratic leader.

In a February 2011 video captured on BuzzFeed not long before the U.S. and NATO stepped in, he said, "Gadhafi in Libya is killing thousands of people, nobody knows how bad it is.

"And we're sitting around, we have soldiers all over the Middle East, and we're not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage. And that's what it is. ... We should go in, we should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick, we could do it surgically. ... This is absolutely nuts, we don't want to get involved."

True to his business principles, Trump proposed sending Libya's successor government a bill for the U.S. intervention: "From your oil, we want reimbursement."


Source:

US News / AP


3. Donald Trump's latest tactic is to call Obama and Clinton the "Founders of ISIS" and "MVPs of ISIS." Though he insists that he means it literally (because he's a little stupid a moderately insane), his surrogates are running around saying that he's really talking about the withdrawal of forces from Iraq in 2011. What Trump doesn't seem to realize was that Bush had signed a U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement in 2008 which included a December 31, 2011 deadline before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory."

Setting that aside, it's since come out that Donald Trump actually supported the withdrawal. (surprise, surprise). Here's an excerpt from a 2007 interview with Wolf Blitzer:


BLITZER: How does the United States get out of this situation? Is there a way ...

TRUMP: You know how they get out? They get out. That's how they get out. Declare victory and leave, because I'll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. They're in a civil war over there, Wolf. There's nothing that we're going to be able to do with a civil war. They are in a major civil war.


and here's another from a GQ interview in 2008:


“First, I’d get out of Iraq right now,” Trump said to British GQ in a 2008 interview. “And by the way, I am the greatest hawk who ever lived, a far greater hawk even than Bush. I am the most militant military human being who ever lived. I’d rebuild our military arsenal, and make sure we had the finest weapons in the world. Because countries such as Russia have no respect for us, they laugh at us. Look at what happened in Georgia, a place we were supposed to be protecting.”


Red State
Wikipedia
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posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

All verifiable.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 07:19 PM
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The Trumpet said...

"This is why our country doesn't work," Trump said. "We have thousands of people in (an overflow) room next door. We have plenty of space here. We have thousands of people outside trying to get in. And we have a fire marshal that said, 'Oh we can't allow more people.' ... And the reason they won't let them in is because they don't know what the hell they're doing."

Trump continued to blame the fire marshal for the "disgraceful situation" during his one-hour address. He decried Lacey’s "incompetence," saying "he's probably a Democrat" and "maybe they're a Hillary person."


REALITY and FACT CHECK (from above link)

Our research shows Trump is wrong on several counts. Public records show Lacey is a registered Republican, and fire officials were following standard guidelines for crowd limits.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 07:50 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Not convinced that Donald Trump is insane? He's got a long history of seeing things that weren't there.

1. Donald Trump said he got a letter from the NFL complaining about debate dates. Here he's relaying his delusion to George Stephanopoulos:


“I’ll tell you what I don’t like,” Trump told George Stephanopoulos. “It’s against two NFL games. I got a letter from the NFL saying, “This is ridiculous.'”


and here to the whole world on Twitter:


As usual, Hillary & the Dems are trying to rig the debates so 2 are up against major NFL games. Same as last time w/ Bernie. Unacceptable!


Well, Brian McCarthy (@NFLprguy) said that was a lie:


@mikesisak @alexweprin While we'd obviously wish the Debate Commission could find another night, we did not send a letter to Mr Trump.


and so did other sources at the NFL:


Just one problem with that: The NFL says it never sent him a letter. CNN’s Brian Stelter approached the league about the matter and got this response:


Sources:

Twitter
Washingto n Post


2. BLM protesters calling for a moment of silence for the Dallas shooter.


Donald Trump told Bill O’Reilly on Tuesday that he witnessed people call for a moment of silence for the man who killed five police officers and wounded eleven other people at a Black Lives Matter rally last week.


"Mysteriously," nobody else could find a shred of evidence of this. Perhaps Donald Trump was in attendance at the protest and no video or coverage of it exists... or he's just making s# up as he goes along.


There were no media reports about anyone calling for a moment of silence for gunman Micah Johnson, though groups from Congress to the New York Stock Exchange held moments of silence for the victims of last Thursday's mass shooting. Searches on social media for people making such calls also came up short.

Despite this lack of evidence, Trump reiterated the claim at a rally in Westfield, Indiana on Tuesday night, where he criticized Black Lives Matter for holding rallies across the country the weekend after the Dallas shootings.


Source:

Talking Points Memo


3. Syrian refugees sneaking across the border!

Trump's tweets:


13 Syrian refugees were caught trying to get into the U.S. through the Southern Border. How many made it? WE NEED THE WALL!


Eight Syrians were just caught on the southern border trying to get into the U.S. ISIS maybe? I told you so. WE NEED A BIG & BEAUTIFUL WALL!


Then he took to Instagram:


“Syrians are now being caught at the Southern border, just like I said,” Trump intoned from his office. “They’re going to be pouring in, don’t know who they are, could be ISIS. We need a new president fast.”


Wrong again!

Though this isn't entirely his fault because he was just paraphrasing some misreporting by Breitbart, here's what really happened:


DHS confirms that on Tuesday, members of two Syrian families, two men, two women and four children, presented themselves at a port of entry in Laredo. They were taken into custody by CBP and turned over to ICE for further processing.


Sources:

Donald Trump's Twitter Feed
The Daily Beast


4. That line in Obama's book where it said "born in Kenya"


But in a question-and-answer session with Fox News host Sean Hannity following his speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference, he fell back to a familiar pattern: questioning whether President Obama was born in the United States:

"Hey look, [the president] wrote a book when he was a young man and it said ‘born in Kenya,’ blah blah blah. I don’t know where he was born. I would like to see his college records, I think that’s important.


Notice that only presidential candidate to not release his taxes in generations wanted the sitting President to release his college transcripts. No hypocrisy there. Of course, no such line existed in the book.

Source:

Washington Post


5. The hotel that ISIS built in Syrian


"Islamic terrorism is eating up large portions of the Middle East," he said. "They've become rich. I'm in competition with them. They just built a hotel in Syria. Can you believe this? They built a hotel."


The grain of truth here is that the Islamic State has taken over a luxury hotel. But they didn’t build it. And it’s not in Syria. And it doesn’t really operate like a normal hotel.

We couldn’t find any evidence that the Islamic State is running any sort of hotel in Syria. We tried to get in touch with a Trump spokesperson and didn’t hear back.


Source:

Politifact


6. The Iran money plane video


"The plane I saw on television was the hostage plane in Geneva, Switzerland, not the plane carrying $400 million in cash going to Iran!" the Republican nominee tweeted, a day after he doubled down on his claim that he had seen footage of a plane unloading money on the same day the Iranian government released four American prisoners in January.
Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks told the Washington Post on Thursday that the video was of the prisoners being released and not of the money.


Source:

Politico



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: kruphix

The rape cases are allegations, not verified.


All cases are allegations until a verdict is issued.

Still, you asked for facts and the facts are that he has had 3 sexual assault cases filed against him.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: kruphix

The rape cases are allegations, not verified.


All cases are allegations until a verdict is issued.

Still, you asked for facts and the facts are that he has had 3 sexual assault cases filed against him.


I stand corrected.



posted on Aug, 12 2016 @ 02:18 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I approve of this thread. I like facts.



posted on Aug, 12 2016 @ 02:54 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: DBCowboy

Here's a few to get things rolling. There's enough on Trump that I'd need the three months to the election just to detail the last three months worth of lies (and then I'd be three months behind!). I'll start with some well known abuses (attempted abuses) of eminent domain.

When Donald Trump wanted to build a limosuine parking lot for Trump Plaza, he went to the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority (CRDA) in an attempt to use eminent domain to force three property owners to sell him their property.

1. Peter Banin and his brother purchased a building for $500,000, intending to open a pawn shop. The CRDA offered them $174,000 which they refused. It went to court and Trump and the CRDA lost.

2. Vera Coking owned her boarding house for about 30 years. In 1983, Bob Guccione attempted to buy her out for $1 million. She refused so he basically build a massive steel and concrete structure around her home. Trump bought out Guccione and razed the structure. In the process, workers caused significant damage to the property, including starting a fire on the roof, breaking windows and removing her fire escape. In 1994, Vera Coking received a letter from the CRDA offering her $250,000 for her property and threatening to take her to court if she didn't accept their offer in 30 days. Trump and the CRDA lost in court three years later. After her death, the property went up for auction and his pal Carl Icahn snagged it for half a mil and demolished the boarding house.

3. Vincent and Clare Sabatini were the third party that refused to sell to Trump. The owned Sabatini's Italian Restaurant for more than 30 years when the CRDA came knocking, offering them $700,000. The fought Trump and the CRDA for 12 years before finally selling their property for $2,000,000.

Sources:

Intitute for Justice
New York Times
The New American


Around the same time, in 1994, Trump lobbied the city of Bridgeport, Connecticut to condemn five privately owned businesses so he could raze them and construct an amusement park, office complex and small seaport, promising to turn Bridgeport into a "national tourist destination." The deal fell apart and the businesses were spared.

Sources:

Daily Cuourant
The New American


Your wrong thus was a mistake that hut the net. No trump didnt own the property Bob guccione did. He started the construction around her property. He ran out if money leaving a steel frame mostly. And in 1993 it was torn down. At that point is where Trump wanted to use the old casino area for a parking lot. He informed thr state of his plans and started purchasing peoperties. Then he informed thr state he wanted to buy Bob gucciones mess that was supposed to be a casino. HI we've there was one stipulation he needed the property of vera as well otherwise thr property was useless to him. The city wanting to get rid of the eyesore meaning the former casino and yes veras run down property on the boaRd walk. So the state made claims on both properties of immenent domain.

When the state took the casino they offered vera money she refused. Then they decided to renovate the area they would use immenent domain to take her property as well. The states efforts failed and Trump did not purchase the property. Later she sells the property to the state when she moves near her daughter sadly at much less than the previous offers. However by than Trump no longer wanted the property.

So yes Trump requested the property for renovation. Did he file ant lawsuits no did he take any actions no. All he did was submit a building project to thr state like he had done before in other states.



posted on Aug, 12 2016 @ 03:06 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: cuckooold
a reply to: DBCowboy

Trump's claim that thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11.

www.washingtonpost.com... attacks/


Well done.

Another fact and verified.

Thank you!


No..it's not a fact, and it's not verified...

The washington post is becoming as bad as the huffington post.

"Despite an army of fact checks, including ours, and repeated debunking, Trump continued to assert he was correct, even though he could produce no evidence except a handful of news stories that made brief mentions of alleged celebrations — which never could be confirmed"

This, right here, tells me they're full of it. I was glued to the TV for most of that day...i saw it all. There was footage of celebrations, on ALL of the major networks. In addition to this, 5 minutes on youtube will give you all the proof you need, that WAPO is lying through their goddamn teeth on this one.

Perhaps the claims of "thousands" is hyperbolic.....however, if you take into account the multiple locations in which these celebrations were occurring, it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the number of people celebrating the event could number in the thousands.



posted on Aug, 12 2016 @ 03:34 AM
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originally posted by: Daedalus

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: cuckooold
a reply to: DBCowboy

Trump's claim that thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11.

www.washingtonpost.com... attacks/


Well done.

Another fact and verified.

Thank you!


No..it's not a fact, and it's not verified...

The washington post is becoming as bad as the huffington post.

"Despite an army of fact checks, including ours, and repeated debunking, Trump continued to assert he was correct, even though he could produce no evidence except a handful of news stories that made brief mentions of alleged celebrations — which never could be confirmed"

This, right here, tells me they're full of it. I was glued to the TV for most of that day...i saw it all. There was footage of celebrations, on ALL of the major networks. In addition to this, 5 minutes on youtube will give you all the proof you need, that WAPO is lying through their goddamn teeth on this one.

Perhaps the claims of "thousands" is hyperbolic.....however, if you take into account the multiple locations in which these celebrations were occurring, it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the number of people celebrating the event could number in the thousands.


I suspect you just have faulty memory. The scenes the networks were displaying was palistinians celebrating the attack. All the major networks showed them dancing in the streets. However this was not in the US. But since the time it occurred I can understand people remembering the videos but not the circumstances. Did trump lie or did he have faulty memory of what he saw on TV??

As far as the moment of silence he lied he was trying to get a narrative out there and lied to do it. There was a twitter feed on it but only a couple of people saw it and I doubt Trump was one of them.
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posted on Aug, 12 2016 @ 04:15 AM
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It has gotten too hard and complicated on ATS to sort who are paid propagandists, trying to sort through the sources and find which are serious and which just have a product, The Lie, to sell. I don't even read the threads about Hillary especially, because hate is behind most of it. It does not matter about Trump, fact or lie, because no one really cares what he does or believes. They just want to put him in the most powerful job in the world to punish the nation.
Same way they gave us Mr Trickle Down Economics Reagan, to punish the nation. Oh, and the wars. Those are the facts that have effected americans lives from cradle to grave.



posted on Aug, 12 2016 @ 04:24 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
It has gotten too hard and complicated on ATS to sort who are paid propagandists, trying to sort through the sources and find which are serious and which just have a product, The Lie, to sell. I don't even read the threads about Hillary especially, because hate is behind most of it. It does not matter about Trump, fact or lie, because no one really cares what he does or believes. They just want to put him in the most powerful job in the world to punish the nation.
Same way they gave us Mr Trickle Down Economics Reagan, to punish the nation. Oh, and the wars. Those are the facts that have effected americans lives from cradle to grave.


I just take a diffrent approach I look into what is said about either candidate. Is it misleading or lie or is it the truth. Depending on the situation it fits into one of those catagories. We aren't stupid we know campaigns lie during races. But with thr Internet you can actually check to see if it's true. Trump has a bad habit of lying to make a point he wants to make. Like the NFL thing. He wanted to get the debates changed and lied to get that message out there. Hillary does it as well like claiming chealsea was jogging on 911 in the area. She was trying to show her concern for 911 and her direct involvement. Though I can't figure out why she lied about her name that one perplexes me.



posted on Aug, 12 2016 @ 04:34 AM
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Hillary can bark like a dog in public.








posted on Aug, 12 2016 @ 07:05 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Combination of things. WAPO is still trash...


I was remembering the ISRAELIS who got arrested for dancing and celebrating when it happened.... that was in jersey, if i remember right.

I do remember footage....MAYBE it was from israel....

Now think on this for a second....they say that the only evidence was a handful of news stories that mentioned it....sounds like they're minimizing, and snubbing other news outlets, to maintain the narrative.



posted on Aug, 12 2016 @ 08:01 AM
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Here's a thought provoking fact about Trump that provides interesting and uncomfortable insight into his character:

The one joke Donald Trump banned from his Comedy Central roast:




ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump's hair

ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump's wife Melania (and his two previous marriages)

ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump having sex with models

ALLOWED: Jokes about the failure of Trump Steaks, Trump Water, Trump Cologne, and other Trump products

ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump's failed casinos

ALLOWED: Jokes about how Trump only became successful thanks to his wealthy father

ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump's weight

ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump being attracted to his daughter Ivanka

NOT ALLOWED: Any joke that suggests Trump is not actually as wealthy as he claims to be




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