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The Two Names of God

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posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 11:39 AM
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First keep in mind that originally the Torah was written without mesorah and spaces, periods and commas etc.

The first verse in the Hebrew Torah reads (with the common spaces, but without mesorah and punctuation):

Heb: ...בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ
Tr: Bereshyt bara Elohim at hashamayim waat haeretz
Eng: Initially created Forces the two Names of God and the Land...
KJV: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

Now who can spot the modern translating error?

Hashamayim is translated Heavens in our old Bibles, but hashamayim is clearly a dual word, not a regular plural one. The text says that God first created the Two Names of God, since the suffix -ajim is the dual form, not the usual plural. And there's another mistake, for God did not first create the Heavens, at least if we're reading the Hebrew; he initially made the Two Names of God, since what's left is Shem when you remove the dual suffix, or שמ (or rather שם since mem is final when not part of another word and not at the end of that word), and שם means Name. Hashem means the Name of God.

So what were these Two Names of God, and what is a Name of God? Hashem is the Name of God, and it's getting more complicated, since the next words in the text after this, are:

Heb.: והארץ היתה תהו ובהו וחשך...
Tr.: ...wahaeretz hayoth tohu wabohu wahushek
Eng.: ...and the Wasted Land was Void and Darkness
KJV: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was....

Who can spot the mystery? Let's put the two pieces together and see what we can make of it:

Heb.: בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ והארץ היתה תהו ובהו וחשך
Tr.: Bereshyt bara Elohim at hashamayim waat haeretz wahaeretz hayoth tohu wabohu wahushek
Eng.: Initially created Forces the two Names of God, the Land and the Wasted Land, [they] were Void and Darkness

I think I'll just leave you there to ponder this, and to see if there are still some Masons or Hebrew reading people left here on ATS and if there are still some left who can think for themselves or even argue against this adequately. To help you out, when you remove everything they have added (spaces, mesorah, punctuation etc) and remove the verse numbering and so on, what the text says is that God initially created two lands/nations with two names, and these names were Bohu and Hushek. Chemet is Arabic for Egypt (alchemy comes from Arab. Al Chemet or «From Egypt», hence the layman's word Dark Arts used for the knowledge of Egyptian Magic aka Alchemy), it means the Land of Darkness, but which land is named Void? Kosmos? Everything else? Was Torah originally an Egyptian book, made as a tool for conquering the void outside Egypt? Was Genesis 1 stolen by Moses while in Egypt?

These are just the two first lines of the Torah, and if these two lines could harbour such mystery as I have shown above, then what about the following narrative? Please say that at least a few of you understand what I'm getting at here, and that you are grown enough to toss your Catechism on the sea and understand that you have been forced to believe something which is quite wrong, or at least highly questionable.
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posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Have you bounced this off the chronicles project? Their sdh system gives a different translation. I am not saying you or they are wrong or right, as none of us knows for sure, but your ideas are intriguing.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim
Decent information. Hope it gets us to somewhere.



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: bobs_uruncle

These translations are my own and a product of my own research. I'm an amateur linguist and I translated this like a linguist would translate it without knowing much Hebrew in advance. Call it tongues, call it whatever you'd like, but modern Hebrew is lightyears from ancient Hebrew. Still, we apply modern Hebrew grammar and morphology to decipher the ancient texts. That would be like using modern English grammar and apply it to 1200 year old Anglo-Saxon writings, and use that to translate ancient pre-Germanlic runes.
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posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

More..... I want more...

Origination stories or interpretations fascinate me. I've a mad desire to read about these beginning with the best true translations possible.


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posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Are you sure with 'Bereshyt bara Elohim' because according to Strongs Hebrew Eloah means God and the 'im' is always plural like fiery serpent = seraph and many fiery angels = seraphim.

Same goes for nephil and plural = nephilim.

[EDIT]Hashem means the Name of God: Technically, haShem is just Name. The joint fallen watcher Shemyhaza is 'Name of Power' from 'Shem-y-haza'.
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posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 02:35 PM
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years ago i was interested in this, and found a cd by Greg Braden so i bought it.

It's called THE DIVINE NAME by Jonathan Goldman & Gregg Braden
excerpt:

Even if you are an atheist you will have to admit that there is something extraordinary about hearing only the vowels from the names of God.

In Kabbalah, the personal name of God is sacred. More than 2,300 years ago, God’s name was removed from the religious texts that link over one half of the world’s populations in order to safeguard its use. What would it mean if The Divine Name—the personal name of God encoded within the DNA of all life—could be reproduced with the human voice in its original form?




Anyways nice Post



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Bereshyt bara Elohim et Hashamayim waet haeretz. It says: In the head of all things, created Gods the divided waters (heavens) and the mighty clay shards that chase each other (techtonic plates/earth).

Mayim means waters. The Shin prefix means to divide. This ties to God spliting the waters and creating the firmament.

Ratz mean shattered clay pots. The prefix aleph is power, the suffix tsadi means to follow a path.

Elohim means Gods (plural) but it is not limited to two.
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posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 04:35 PM
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You mean one of them names for God isn't BUBBA?



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Bereshyt bara Elohim et Hashamayim waet haeretz. It says: In the head of all things, created Gods the divided waters (heavens) and the mighty clay shards that chase each other (techtonic plates/earth).




Hmmm When I read that sentence, something different comes to mind. I envision differently than your definition. What I see:

Divided waters - Waters that have a division - More than one water with something in the middle of each
= The oceans

Might clay shards - Broken edged rock - sharp edged rock
= Mountains (or landmass)

So... all that being broken down, it reads to me..

In the beginning, God (or as you say, gods) created The Oceans and the Mountains.

After all, each continent is kinda like a mountain with a really uneven, flat top if you're standing at the lowest depths of the planet



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: Rapha
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Are you sure with 'Bereshyt bara Elohim' because according to Strongs Hebrew Eloah means God and the 'im' is always plural like fiery serpent = seraph and many fiery angels = seraphim.

Same goes for nephil and plural = nephilim.

[EDIT]Hashem means the Name of God: Technically, haShem is just Name. The joint fallen watcher Shemyhaza is 'Name of Power' from 'Shem-y-haza'.


Hehe. Well, we're talking about what they'd call Plural Intesive, or «Majesty Pluralis». Like when the queen of England says «We, the Queen...» or like when a German contacts a stranger and he uses Sie («You», plural 2nd person) instead of Du («You» 2nd person singular).

Take a look at Bara, the word used in connection with Elohim. Though Elohim is plural, Bara (Create) is singular. Bara is also only used with Elohim as subject. Bara is a verb, the noun/adjective is Bar, which means «Son of». So what «Bereshyt Bara Elohim» really says is that «Initially Elohim Fathered....» his names and nations.

This is rather complicated and I believe these are some of the oldest original phrases of Hebrew, and with age comes inconsistency to modern grammar, so for all we know, these words and suffixes, numerus etc. were in development and some of these ancient forms found their way into modernity.



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 05:56 PM
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The reason why the Hashem was secret in Kabbalah, is that it was used in training young lads to become fierce soldiers. YHVH when Etz Hachayim was applied, the name of God became sword katas. Like with sex, the art of killing should be kept away from the little ones until they are not so little anymore.

YHVH translated into sword-motions, is 1 pull up sword, 2 defend against incoming right-handed move, 3 hew right, 4 hew left. It's the easiest way to defend and attack in one motion. The Samurais used similar katas, and there is no question about the nativity of the word Karate. Karat in Hebrew means cut or hew.



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

The suffix -ayim (as in Shem-ayim) is dual not plural. Same with Flood, Mayim, it's dual, not plural or singular. Mayim in regards to the Flood, actually says there were TWO floods. Much likely Elohim was El-ayim, «Mom and Dad» the [two] parents of humankind.
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posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

Mountains, land mass techtonic plates...its all included.

However, hashamayim means skies/space. So its not directly identified with the oceans (mayim). Rather, the oceans/mayim are a direct result of the waters being divided.

This is important because first God created the heavens and earth, then he flooded the entire universe when Satan rebelled. This happened before man was on the earth. Then God restored the heavens and earth in 6 days.

This thread offers a deeper explanation, from the Hebrew text: www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

The suffix -ayim (as in Shem-ayim) is dual not plural. Same with Flood, Mayim, it's dual, not plural or singular. Mayim in regards to the Flood, actually says there were TWO floods. Much likely Elohim was El-ayim, «Mom and Dad» the [two] parents of humankind.


In Hebrew, water is Mayim. It just means a flowing medium. Plurality is implied, but there is nothing specifically dualistic about it. Ha Sha Mayim, not Ha Sham ayim. You are misparsing the word.



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Mayim got to be understood as water in general, but as it is a dual noun (two waters/two floods) perhaps we are talking about splitting the atom 6000 years ago, something that destroyed the antediluvian worlds and set off the Floods that started our era (about 10 000 years ago). There are two kinds of water, water and heavy-water (or for that matter -- for the little ones -- fresh-water and salt-water). Genesis is all about splitting (fission) and gathering (fusion). «Let there be light...» And there were E=mc^2....

ETA: Thanks heaven they didn't wash you out with the baby. Good to see you're still here mister!
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posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 07:00 PM
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Earth is supposed to be "God"



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 08:17 PM
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Its good to see you too.

What literary evidence can you provide to claim that mayim is a dual noun. There are two floods in the Bible. The Genesis 1:2 Flood, and Noah's flood, but I don't think the Bible really gets into particle physics.



posted on Aug, 9 2016 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: bobs_uruncle

I would try Jeff Benner's mechanical translation before th Chronological Project. Compare the two for yourself.



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 02:24 AM
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originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: awareness10

The reason why the Hashem was secret in Kabbalah, is that it was used in training young lads to become fierce soldiers. YHVH when Etz Hachayim was applied, the name of God became sword katas. Like with sex, the art of killing should be kept away from the little ones until they are not so little anymore.

YHVH translated into sword-motions, is 1 pull up sword, 2 defend against incoming right-handed move, 3 hew right, 4 hew left. It's the easiest way to defend and attack in one motion. The Samurais used similar katas, and there is no question about the nativity of the word Karate. Karat in Hebrew means cut or hew.


But isn't Hashem more of a "title" than a personal name?




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