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Creation v Evolution argument can end

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posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
I am interested in empirical evidence, thanks for trying


Happy Birthday! Thousands of scientific research papers on Evolutionary evidence

Be sure to let us know which are not accurate.
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posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: mouthfullofkefirgrains
my current fave:

Genetic ENTROPY

yt: Prof. John Sanford on Genomic Entropy
youtu.be...


When your fave is a farmer you need to look further into it.

Dr. Francis Collins goes for the cop out answer that evolution was set in motion by god.
Although still accepts evolution as far as I can see.
Michael Lynch accepts evolution as far as I can see.
Dr Kondrashov accepts evolution as far as I can see.
Dr Crow, I haven't been able to see anything regarding her views.

All the supporters of creationism are either misrepresented or underqualified.



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

Where did i ever say i was "awesome" or anything of the sort?

Why are you turning this into something about me anyways?

obviously because you have no arguments to the evidence that has been provided for you time and again... but that is beside the point here...

I said i like to poke the beast of religious fundamentalism... i do, i enjoy religious debate with those who have the grey mater to have a civilized discussion about it... most fundies don't, or can't... including yourself, which is why i once said its pointless talking to you.

In any case im on to your little trick here.... You're asking for proof of something, not evidence of it...

Barcs explained it above...

Yes, exactly. He basically wants to be able to witness "macro" evolution in real time, or he won't accept it. Scientists have only witnessed speciation a handful of times, so to witness something that relies on thousands if not millions of those speciation events accumulating is simply preposterous and unrealistic. It's like saying that I want to see a single cell turn into a pig.


its not something you're going to find... ever

but the lack of that proof your asking for does not disprove the evidence we have for the "theory" of evolution



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posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Raggedyman

Keep going man. You're cracking me up tonight with your fundementalist views.

Do the "100+ million dead...." bit again. That always makes me smile.


Darwins theory, coupled with Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot caused the death of well over 100 million in the 20th century alone

www.skeptical-science.com...

I wouldnt say Hitler myself, he was very spiritual, but hey

I compare this argument to you saying religion is all about evil and mass murder

Its a good link.

Truth is I dont blame Darwin for those 100 plus million, I blame the tyrants, as opposed to you who blames christianity for those death caused by religion
I just like to show you the silliness of your argument by arguing silly like you.

As I have said before

Now how about you go off on an anti religion tirade, that would be so on topic in a thread about
Evidence, empirical evidence



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

Thank you you religious fundementalist you!

How long have you been holding it in? Feel better? Did it make your God smile? No? Awww!



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 08:51 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I am interested in empirical evidence, thanks for trying


Happy Birthday! Thousands of scientific research papers on Evolutionary evidence

Be sure to let us know which are not accurate.


Yet not one with empirical evidence, if there was you would show me that one
Not try and deflect with thousands that you know I wont bother reading

Just one, one piece of empirical evidence, not assumption, not random chance, come on



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

And guess what or raggedy old fundementalist old man?

You're not going to get it?

Why?

Because it would disprove evolution.

But it's been said many MANY times.

We'll just add that to all the other things you ignore to make your God more real.



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I am interested in empirical evidence, thanks for trying


Happy Birthday! Thousands of scientific research papers on Evolutionary evidence

Be sure to let us know which are not accurate.






Over 500 scientific journals and more than 25,000 research articles on different aspects of evolution - all empirical evidence.



But not enough empirical evidence for Mr. Raggedy. He prefers junk bond salesmen:



As they say, no accounting for taste!





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posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: Akragon


the bone structure of a weightlifter doesn't change to accommodate lifting heavy weights

You never heard of shin splints?



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Raggedyman

Keep going man. You're cracking me up tonight with your fundementalist views.

Do the "100+ million dead...." bit again. That always makes me smile.

LOL!



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Akragon


the bone structure of a weightlifter doesn't change to accommodate lifting heavy weights

You never heard of shin splints?


LMAO!!

Very funny...




posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I am interested in empirical evidence, thanks for trying


Happy Birthday! Thousands of scientific research papers on Evolutionary evidence

Be sure to let us know which are not accurate.

I think we'll be waiting a long time, Barcs.



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 09:36 PM
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This is the crux of the issue here and it started on page one, as we've all seen in many other threads across the forum dealing with evolution...

The OP seems to believe he can just use the word "empirical" to dismiss any actual evidence to show said theory is valid...

Simply put, it just doesn't work that way...

There is abundant "evidence" of evolution... there isn't factual proof, which is what the OP is actually looking for

Likewise, there isn't any empirical evidence for his creator either... so the OP is technically valid

HE should end the argument and any attempts at it.... because he literally has nothing but that word




posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I am interested in empirical evidence, thanks for trying


Happy Birthday! Thousands of scientific research papers on Evolutionary evidence

Be sure to let us know which are not accurate.


Yet not one with empirical evidence, if there was you would show me that one
Not try and deflect with thousands that you know I wont bother reading

Just one, one piece of empirical evidence, not assumption, not random chance, come on


Please don't stop, nobody on ATS has done more than you to promote Evolution. ATS should have a hall of fame and you should be one of the founding members. You've done more too hurt the religious movement in America than you could ever possible imagine.



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 10:25 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I am interested in empirical evidence, thanks for trying


Happy Birthday! Thousands of scientific research papers on Evolutionary evidence

Be sure to let us know which are not accurate.


Yet not one with empirical evidence, if there was you would show me that one
Not try and deflect with thousands that you know I wont bother reading

Just one, one piece of empirical evidence, not assumption, not random chance, come on


Let's be real. You won't bother reading if I post ONE.

Click on the first paper on the list. Each one cites empirical testable evidence. Evolution is not as simple as "X evolves into Y". You can't completely explain it in a single page or even single book. If you truly are interested in evidence, you are going to need to do some heavy reading. Animals don't change into other animals. They slightly change, then slightly change again, then slightly change again, then slightly change again, and so on for millions of generations.
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posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 10:48 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I am interested in empirical evidence, thanks for trying


Happy Birthday! Thousands of scientific research papers on Evolutionary evidence

Be sure to let us know which are not accurate.


Yet not one with empirical evidence, if there was you would show me that one
Not try and deflect with thousands that you know I wont bother reading

Just one, one piece of empirical evidence, not assumption, not random chance, come on


Let's be real. You won't bother reading if I post ONE.

Click on the first paper on the list. Each one cites empirical testable evidence. Evolution is not as simple as "X evolves into Y". You can't completely explain it in a single page or even single book. If you truly are interested in evidence, you are going to need to do some heavy reading. Animals don't change into other animals. They slightly change, then slightly change again, then slightly change again, then slightly change again, and so on for millions of generations.



Let's be real. You won't bother posting one because I will shred it

You have nothing so say thousands

Start a thread, a whole thread of empirical evidence, one at a time

Show your courage, your faith in science

Dont deflect attack the bible, attack me, attack

Stand on science, dont hide amongst a thousand , put one up

Its a challenge, this whole thread is a challenge

You are to scared, go get it and let the science talk, your talk is empty, always was always is



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 10:50 PM
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originally posted by: anton74

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I am interested in empirical evidence, thanks for trying


Happy Birthday! Thousands of scientific research papers on Evolutionary evidence

Be sure to let us know which are not accurate.


Yet not one with empirical evidence, if there was you would show me that one
Not try and deflect with thousands that you know I wont bother reading

Just one, one piece of empirical evidence, not assumption, not random chance, come on


Please don't stop, nobody on ATS has done more than you to promote Evolution. ATS should have a hall of fame and you should be one of the founding members. You've done more too hurt the religious movement in America than you could ever possible imagine.





I ask for evidence and get what?
This?


Leave religion out, lets talk science, empirical evidence



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 10:50 PM
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a reply to: Barcs

i second that request Barcs....

Please do post something to end these silly threads once and for all




posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon
This is the crux of the issue here and it started on page one, as we've all seen in many other threads across the forum dealing with evolution...

The OP seems to believe he can just use the word "empirical" to dismiss any actual evidence to show said theory is valid...

Simply put, it just doesn't work that way...

There is abundant "evidence" of evolution... there isn't factual proof, which is what the OP is actually looking for

Likewise, there isn't any empirical evidence for his creator either... so the OP is technically valid

HE should end the argument and any attempts at it.... because he literally has nothing but that word



A fish flipping around on land is proof of evolution

Yeah?



posted on Aug, 10 2016 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

There is a big difference between being a murdering athiest, and killing purely for the cause of athiesm.

Religion is lightyears ahead when it comes to killing in the name of.

There is no athiest handbook that talks about killing theists or encourages it. Nor is there an atheist creed for morality or beliefs.

However, there are plenty of "holy" verses that condone or encourage violence.

I'm sorry, but the whole "athiests kill for their cause too!" arguement is BS. It's not even close to being on the same level as religion.



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