Resist Not Evil

a reply to: JDeLattre89

Text I can answer your simple question Seede. Jesus of Nazarene was a man. But he was more than just such, he was also a student of far eastern philosophies and a Rabbi of the Hebrew church. As such he would be required to be married and preferably with children, less nobody would heed his teachings. Above and beyond that, he was a man on a higher level of enlightenment and may have even found enlightenment in the end of his days, as shown by his knowing that he was not only a child of god but also god.

You are correct except He was not a teacher in a church and He was not married with children.

The first chapter of the Apostle John is the explanation of who the Nazarene Jesus was and is now. He was and is now the begotten son of the Father El and preexisted as the Word of God. He was your and my Creator as well as all that exists both visible and invisible. He was the same in the OT as in the NT. Now I did not simply make that up. That is also the doctrine of James who is the brother of the Nazarene Jesus. He was not the Father nor a god but was begotten of the Father and became flesh. He was not created but was from the essence of the Father with life in Him. His name now is the "Word Of God" and His kingdom is the New Jerusalem. All of this is in the scriptures of most all bibles.

The doctrine of the Christ Jesus was and is to always resist evil and overcome evil and by doing so will please the Father and His Begotten Son.

a reply to: Seede

Ah, but religious teachers did not have to have a church (still don't in many cases), but many were much like traveling salesmen. Still, people then would be hesitant to listen to an unwed holy man since the teaching commanded the people to wed and multiply.

a reply to: JDeLattre89

a reply to: Seede Ah, but religious teachers did not have to have a church (still don't in many cases), but many were much like traveling salesmen. Still, people then would be hesitant to listen to an unwed holy man since the teaching commanded the people to wed and multiply.

I am not sure of that perspective but in this case of the righteous teacher, it was not His preaching alone but mostly His works. Without His works in the gifts of the Father, there may be some doubt that Jesus would have held the twelve together less alone the many disciples who followed. There are some others who also preached but their works proved their doctrine. John the baptist is a prime example.

Jesus did attend synagogues as well as the temple proper but His ministry was to teach more so than preach. His works of the nine gifts of the Father were most important but the parabolic teachings were unsurpassed. His doctrine was never before shown to men and startled all who saw the works of the Most High in this man. You must remember that in Judaic religion there was hardly any preaching as we are accustomed to in this day. It was mostly rituals and expounding the prophets.

Actually the prophets were to be the corner stones for Judaism but with the destruction of the first temple it ushered in the rabbinical practice of neglecting the prophets and usurping their authority. In fact the entire Judaic structure was controlled and appointed by Rome in that era. The High priest and his minions were appointed by the Prefect of the appointed province and it was at their pleasure who bought that position. In this case it was Pontius Pilate who took the perks of being the head and appointed Annas. It is not known the price but it always went to the highest bidder.

a reply to: Seede

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And then later Rome built the Christian Church in the image that it wanted and decided what to teach (but I believe that thread is covered elsewhere), which was later vastly changed by King James.

a reply to: JDeLattre89

a reply to: Seede . . . And then later Rome built the Christian Church in the image that it wanted and decided what to teach (but I believe that thread is covered elsewhere), which was later vastly changed by King James.

Yes , in a sense the Roman organizations did set the pattern for the accepted liturgies and doctrines of which they spawned. King James used the available literature of the majority Greek texts which were available to them at that time to create their own rendition of their own translation. Rome was not not happy about this by any means because it took the authority away from Rome and put it in various other avenues. Even though the Greek literature was condensed into a book by gentiles that literature was not used by James in the first synagogues of Nazarene's except as letters of encouragement.

James did not allow Greek (Hellenist) or any other of the many languages and cultures to infiltrate the Hebrew & Aramaic liturgy of the Nazarene synagogue. But he did allow (as the appointed Nasi) the Hellenist to worship and teach in their own synagogues in the hope of eventually drawing the Greek speaking Jews back into the Hebrew and Aramaic fold. The first congregation of James was entirely Hebrew and Aramaic liturgy with the written and oral Torah being the main teachings. There was other accepted literature such as the minor and major prophets, one Enoch, Jasher and other outside literature but it was carefully limited to Hebrew and Aramaic authors.

All of the teachers of that first congregation were the Apostles under the supervision of John and Peter. The Apostle John was second in authority in the first congregation of the Nazarene's while Peter held the third office. The Roman church is responsible for electing Peter as their first pope but that was not even dreamed of in the Nazarene Congregation.

So yes, you are correct. The NT as we use it today was not even dreamed of in the Nazarene movement and yes King James did order the Geneva Bible re translated because the margins of the Geneva bible offended the kings authority and personal habits. King James was a homosexual and a unspeakable offender of decency as well as a murderer. But nevertheless of what he was, his power was limited when it came to the majority Greek literature. He could not simply destroy the vast literature of the Greeks without a destructive revolution. So he was in a sense, restricted and controlled by the church and other cultures who also had copies of the same Greek MSS.

And thus we find the fallacy of religion in general . . . it is controlled by mere man

a reply to: JDeLattre89

And thus we find the fallacy of religion in general . . . it is controlled by mere man

Yes, my understanding of any religion is that it is controlled by man and is corrupted by people from its conceptions. That is the primary reason for most all hate and taking of lives. Sad but true.