PETA out to starve humanity

llpoolej


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Originally posted by instar
Hello??? did you miss something?

No, llpoolej didn't miss something. It's just that your later explanation of your comment:

Good point, if food was the most expensive amenity we might have less to spend on war!

didn't fool anyone excepting possibly yourself.

The point I was trying to make in the second paragraph is that if humans/anybody wants to have it the way we did back when we needed to hunt, we would still need to kill some or live isolated from some types of animals. It wouldn't be "perfect" unless you had just the cute and helpless animals there and even then its not "real".

Originally posted by XL5
The point I was trying to make in the second paragraph is that if humans/anybody wants to have it the way we did back when we needed to hunt, we would still need to kill some or live isolated from some types of animals. It wouldn't be "perfect" unless you had just the cute and helpless animals there and even then its not "real".

This still avoids the issue of workable alternatives to the current methods.

No, llpoolej didn't miss something. It's just that your later explanation of your comment:
quote: Good point, if food was the most expensive amenity we might have less to spend on war!didn't fool anyone excepting possibly yourself.

whatever ! You grossly misunderstood a simple observation and you are too proud to admit it. Im sure you will refute this too, but thats life.

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I personally see no resolution to cruelty because real communism or a real reduction of people along with good values and morals taught, it's not going to happen. It seems the only solution would be to live on an island with a small group of people, even then you still have problems anyway and it will never be perfect.

Originally posted by XL5
I personally see no resolution to cruelty because real communism or a real reduction of people along with good values and morals taught, it's not going to happen. It seems the only solution would be to live on an island with a small group of people, even then you still have problems anyway and it will never be perfect.

I dont understand this well Im talking about a resolution of cruelty to food animals,on a mass scale, i.e. farming methods. how does living on an island with a small group of people resolve that?

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No, Im talking about veal type cruelty and/or the KFC type issue. PETA, or any one who uses dirty tactics can't even begin to make a perfect sociaty even on an island.

Edited to add: if only PETA members/supporters lived on an island and could run it the way they wanted. I could see how it MAY solve some problems.

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Originally posted by XL5
No, Im talking about veal type cruelty and/or the KFC type issue. PETA, or any one who uses dirty tactics can't even begin to make a perfect sociaty even on an island.

Apply your quote to the everyday world including politics (libs and reps) ....


We live in a very imperfect society, it's pretty weird how people find it hard to see that peta people are in it for the animals, and because they care they're crazies??

dirty tactics are used everyday somewhere, I think salesmen who sell furniture, state lottery, casino's, big corporations, politician's, they all do it.
Hell even men and women do it in their everyday lives to get back at someone for something. Human nature perhaps??

Sure, they can be in it for the animals, but greed is the reason for alot of suffering for animals and humans. I personally dislike the fact that they use dirty tactics for a cause not many people can personally relate to. They would do more good using dirty tactics against the govt./corps who get/are greedy, at least that way people can relate and any cruelty thats left can be cleaned up with added support.

To me, its like they are washing a muddy car from the ground up and they are fighting an uphill battle and feel the need for dirty tactics because it feels un-winnable.

The more people use dirty tactic, the more others will feel its ok, then dirty tactics are use for gain, then you get what you have today, it just makes thier foe stonger.

To me, its like they are washing a muddy car from the ground up and they are fighting an uphill battle and feel the need for dirty tactics because it feels un-winnable.

The more people use dirty tactic, the more others will feel its ok, then dirty tactics are use for gain, then you get what you have today, it just makes thier foe stonger.

EXACTLY !! I couldnt have said it better, thats what so sad, that the "foe" in this case are turned away (to extreme) from the issues because of it.
Thankyou for explaining it so well and susinctly without resorting to nonsense.
And my "say" is that while I understand this perfectly and even empathise with said "foe" , is that even if they abhor Peta, this is no excuse to rubbish the fact that such cruelty is abhorant and must, somehow, be stopped, prefrably through education rather than said "extreme tactics".

I have the solution,
We get the Bush administrtion to lbel PETA a "terrorist group" Ship them all off to guantanamo bay and force feed them veal!

this isnt very nice

stomping on chickens, kicking them, and violently slamming them against floors and walls. Workers also ripped the animals’ beaks off, twisted their heads off, spat tobacco into their eyes and mouths, spray-painted their faces, and squeezed their bodies so hard that the birds expelled feces

there should be a not painfull death for them

BTW i am not agreeing with PETA about starving the human race

Originally posted by instar
whatever !

You grossly misunderstood a simple observation and you are too proud to admit it. Im sure you will refute this too, but thats life.

Stop being ridiculous. At least three people with different opinions on this topic have reached the same conclusion about your comment - that it is naive, dangerous, and sadly confirms the title of this thread. You have had ample opportunities to rephrase it or express regret for it, but you have only made the comment more noticeable.

Here it is again, for anyone who missed it:

Good point, if food was the most expensive amenity we might have less to spend on war!

Sad. Truly sad. No more comments about this one... feel free to have the last word, but it won't change what you've written.

Part of my original question in this thread is how long before PETA or some other group starts feeling sorry for how plants used in food, industry and even gardens are being treated?

How long before we see the "Bread is murder!" signs?

Originally posted by centurion1211
Part of my original question in this thread is how long before PETA or some other group starts feeling sorry for how plants used in food, industry and even gardens are being treated?

If you want to get hypothetical or relative, how do you know carrots or broccoli doen't scream when you pluck it from the ground??

And also i'm seeing alot of people in this thread saying "oh btw, i'm not a supporter of peta, but...."

Peta has a negative reputation and people want to let others know that they aren't "supporters of crazies"

it's too bad you know, so many people are pet parents, they eat meat, and they hunt, yet they supposedly can't relate to animals or their well being??


animal planet has some good educational shows on, maybe it would do some of you some good to open your eyes to a world of which you know nothing about. Supposedly we're at the top of the food chain, you would think people would be smarter, wiser, caring, and helping towards others including the animal kingdom.

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Originally posted by TrueLies

Originally posted by centurion1211
Part of my original question in this thread is how long before PETA or some other group starts feeling sorry for how plants used in food, industry and even gardens are being treated?

If you want to get hypothetical or relative, how do you know carrots or broccoli doen't scream when you pluck it from the ground?? .......

And also i'm seeing alot of people in this thread saying "oh btw, i'm not a supporter of peta, but...."

Peta has a negative reputation and people want to let others know that they aren't "supporters of crazies"


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Carrots and broccoli undoubtedly scream when pull from the ground
See 'The Secret Life of Plants' and Clive Backsters experiments

'Tompkins and Bird start by looking at the work of Clive Backster, one of America's foremost lie detector examiners. Backster soon discovered by playing with his galvanometer and attaching electrodes to the leaves of plants, he could witness a response in plants to his own thoughts. Galvanised and excited by his findings, Backster started an intensive programme of research into the extraordinary perception of plants. He discovered that plants reacted not only to threats from humans, but also from other animals.1 Backster's investigations continued to establish if a plant had memory. He set up an experiment where six of his students, blindfolded, drew lots from a hat. On one piece of paper only were the instructions to actually damage the plant. Two plants were used; one was duly damaged by the student acting on the instructions on the piece of paper and the other plant acted as a witness to the event. Backster showed that the surviving plant gave no reaction to five of the six students, but whenever the actual culprit approached it, it reacted and caused the meter to go wild.2 Backster had effectively demonstrated that plants have memory. '
www.equilibra.uk.com...

Still it's a question of where you draw the line in what you eat - I reject any food source with a pulse - and how you view the uprearing of the living things you kill to eat

Lawnmowing should be undertaken with reverence

Food sources should be treated with due respect and never treated with poisons, overcrowding, cruelty, disregard
The cave-dwellers celebrated their food with artwork

about our fellow furry friends....

www.advocatesforanimals.org...


Sheep video
www.petatv.com...

www.peta.org...