PETA out to starve humanity

Originally posted by llpoolej
PETA is on the same level as radical anit-abortionists who bomb abortion clinics and kill MD's who preform them.

I wouldn't put PETA on the same level as the radical anti-abortionists. At least, the anti-abortionists are sane, albeit a little eccentric.

Originally posted by llpoolej
I am sitting here typing with an ex show dog on my lap. She will then go sleep with one of my kids. She has a darn wardrobe to keep her from shivering. Tell me that is worse than being let "free".

It is. I hate PETA as much as anyone, and releasing dogs to "freedom" in the modern world is cruel, but keeping most dogs as household pets, wardrobe and all, is unnatural and abusive. You are keeping the dog in a perpetual state of dependence; it remains essentially a child its entire life. While I don't equate dogs to people, it is evident that keeping a human in a perpetual state of dependence is a crime, and the effects on dogs are similar to the effects on humans. That keeping dogs as pets is cruel applies the most to large breeds for which staying indoors for long hours is contrary to nature.

At the very least, dogs (excepting perhaps small "toy" breeds for which the above doesn't really apply) shouldn't be allowed to have offspring, unless suitable habitation can be found.

And please keep your dogs from ****ing in public areas. Dog poisonings will only increase in frequency if you don't. That's not a threat; that's an observation.

HOOOKAYYYYY, well, it is a *dog* BRED to be a companion to man. Along with whatever specialization the breed has been bred for. Herding dogs herd. Toy breeds are strictly companions, guarding dogs are just that, hunting dogs hunt.

The dog I have is a whippet. She has no fat, and very little fur. She is an *excellent* rabbit/rodent hunter. Can run 35mph.

They aren't wolves. They aren't coyotes. They are sooooo far from those ancestors that no dog could make it in the wild. Domesticated horses could not either. Their feet and bones wouldn't hold up to it. Not to mention they are bred for specific purposes vs roaming the countryside

Most people have not even heard of a whippet. They are not over bred and rarely found in rescue. That to me is a sign of breed success.

The ideas that dog should be extinct due to their dependence on us is as out there as cattle should be extinct due to their wrecking the land.

I also have two other dogs. Large mutts. The 14 year old I have depended on to protect me more than once. Thank God for her while I was single. No one could have hurt me with her on guard.

My children have learned responsibilty and empathy from having animals. Lessons that only come from caring for something else.

Oh yeah, I have a large fenced yard, so she won't be using the bathroom in public. I cannot even fathom that people plot to poison dogs due to where they use the bathroom. I guess I could always let my 14 year old out on them and show them what that kind of behavior would mean in kind

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People Eat The Animials (PETA)... Look, I'm all about firing up the grill for anything that won't eat me me first (Except snales, possums, and nutria rats, that's just nasty). I don't mean to offend, or get booted, but people have been eating meat as a staple for a very long time. (Sorry, the rest of my opinion tworads PETA will be offinsive to them, I'll not post any further comments here.)

I gotta say one thing, its funny folk compare peta to radical anti abortionist or terrorist , given extremes. PETA really beleive in what they stand for, as do the latter two. Imagine what a herculean task to convert entire animal eating world that consideres all other life below them! no wonder they go to extremes. How do you even begin to chip away at that? what a mighty battle indeed, gotta give them kudos for effort.

People Eat The Animials (PETA)... Look, I'm all about firing up the grill for anything that won't eat me me first (Except snales, possums, and nutria rats, that's just nasty). I don't mean to offend, or get booted, but people have been eating meat as a staple for a very long time. (Sorry, the rest of my opinion tworads PETA will be offinsive to them, I'll not post any further comments here.)

People cant overlook the meat/no meat issue There is So much more to it.

They aren't wolves. They aren't coyotes. They are sooooo far from those ancestors that no dog could make it in the wild

on the contrary, they do survive.

www.petpeoplesplace.com...
www.igorilla.com...
www.latimes.com...
texnat.tamu.edu...
news.nationalgeographic.com...

etc etc

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Does Peta ever try to protect animals that are not mammals and or cute. For example Lobsters we boil them alive do they ever complain about that?

Its one thing to stand up for a baby seal or dolphin but do they stand up for the not so cute animals.

A face only a mother could love I guess

Originally posted by HeirToBokassa
And please keep your dogs from ****ing in public areas. Dog poisonings will only increase in frequency if you don't. That's not a threat; that's an observation.

Perhaps taking it out on the dogs is the wrong way to handle this???

I think PETA is an organization with a hidden agenda. It's not just about the fair and ethical treatment of animals.
I eat meat. It may not be the most efficient way to get protein, but in an industrailized society, we aren't likely to have our own livestock any time soon.

I dislike zoos from the point of view that many of these animals are not treated well. I know many of them are lightyears away from their habitat. It just saddens me to see them caged, just to be looked at by us.

I have no problems with people having pets. Most people have some idea how to treat their animals well enough. I'm not sure clothes on animals is appropriate, though
You can't disallow reasonable men from having pets just because there are some sickos out there.
As far as not having pets because it's bad for them to be dependent.....HUH??????? You do know that wild dogs/wolves run in packs? And only one alpha pair is dominant, the rest are subservient and dependent? My Siberian Husky thinks I am the aplha female

PETA is a dangerous group. It is my hope that people wake up and see them for the evilness they are.

[edit on 19-1-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by llpoolej

Most people have not even heard of a whippet.

They make great frizbee dogs.

I have a Sheltie. They were bred to herd.

HeirToBokassa you are so far out in left field, you can't even imagine how off base you are.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Does Peta ever try to protect animals that are not mammals and or cute. For example Lobsters we boil them alive do they ever complain about that?

Its one thing to stand up for a baby seal or dolphin but do they stand up for the not so cute animals.

A face only a mother could love I guess

yup, dont think theres anything they dont cover. imo boiling crusteaceans is bloody cruel!

I know they love fish, they came out with a big press conference a couple months ago about how intelligent fish are and what interesting lives they live:

seattlepi.nwsource.com...

I have nothing against the vegintarion DIET. I do have a problem about vegen as a form of ethics, "moral right" and lifestyle. I actaully figured out that the amount of calories that a cow consumes in 3 years would equal the amount of calories in meat of 1 butchered cow. ( I was using gernalizatiosn that favored the grain side) Would it be easier to haul a trailer of grain for consumption, or a reefer pick-up truck? And how is a vegen diet suppsoe to solve world hunger?

I have a body that has several features that are specifically designed for consuming meat. Canine Teeth, A stomach, and body tempurature.

Can't stand PETA. They have some good ideas about the treatment of animals, but I'd rather they take a less militant approach like the World Wildlife Fund. There's this one British member of PETA who lives in the US who is attempting to bring down the Australian wool industry because of a method Aussie wool farmers use to stop the fly infestation of the sheep. And that consists of cutting off a bit of the tail. The alternative would be an infection where the sheep is eaten alive by maggots. Anyway, the woman had a big whinge, Abercrombie is boycotting Aussie wool because of it. And at the end of the interview (this was an interview on the Australian version of 60 minutes) a spokesperson for the Australian Wool Farmers Association or something like that gives her a Federal Court order forcing her or PETA to pay the Association compensation in case of any loss of future earnings. Great stuff to see people standing up to the irrational people of PETA.

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Hmmm, to be dependent of some one who comforts you? Why is that bad? If people were able to go back and do it all over again, don't you think we would all be under 20 and mostly depended (even though we are all dependent on our amenities anyway)?

PETA should start with taking down greed first, then cure the results (cruelty! - not, the fact that we eat meat).

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I know they love fish, they came out with a big press conference a couple months ago about how intelligent fish are and what interesting lives they live:

seattlepi.nwsource.com...

Im suprised they do try to protect fish I didnt know that. I was thinking about the whole save the dolphins thing a few days ago. People were crying foul about poor dolphins getting caught in tuna nets and demanded "Dolphin safe tuna" But there was no out cry for the Tuna getting caught in those same nets and ground up into little tuna chunks.

I guess if tuna could do tricks and had their own TV show people might have cared.

being a recreational bodybuilder, I eat much more food then my body requires for minimal maintenance, maybe you could feed 3 / 4 people in somalia From all the stuff I eat . But I am always looking for the dolphin free tuna when i am scavenging for proteins

I am also very much into pets and appaled by unnecessary cruelty. Maybe, with biotechnology and genetic engineering, they will breed giant container sized lumps of chickenmeat, without brains, bones and feathers, just cut a few slices every day, spray on some stem cells and it will grow back.

There would no conscious being violated, would be highly efficient and could be automated by machines to free people from rough and bloody slaughterhouse jobs.


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Whether you eat meat or not s a personal choice.
That being said however those who believe that eating meat is murder have no conception of either science or history. The simple fact is the human body is designed to eat meat.
The evidence of this can be found everywhere in our digestive system
our mouths for example show at least three proofs of this.
1) canines, specialised teeth whos only purpose is the tearing of flesh
2) jaw structure, all herbivores have jaws capable of side to side move ment we do not
3) enamel, all herbivores have very thck tooth enamel due to the large amounts of grit in vegetable matter we do not

Our stomachs also show multiple evidence
1) the appendix which no longer serves a purpose as an organ was once used by our pre human ancestors to house a symbiotic bacteria which broke down cellulose so tht we could digest it. it no longer does
2) all herbivores have multchambered stomachs due to the fact that vegetable matter s fr harder to digest than meat we do not


Finally and the one fact which makes vegitarianism so ludicrous is the direct correlaton n our pre human ancestors between the increase in the amount of meat in thier det and the increase in brain size, in other words if not for eating meat we would still be monkees.

so # PETA

As far as cattle are concerned, humans don't live under the pretense that we raise them and slaughter them out of "love."

Another thing about domesticated animals - "responsible" pet ownership generally holds that dogs and cats be fixed. That's just another example of animal cruelty that passes as acceptable by the skewed logic of pet lovers. Not to say that I'm advocating the alternative - letting household animals reproduce. The situation just illustrates why perpetuating the practice of holding domesticated animals is indefensible.

Well, you are contradicting yourself. You first say that no dog should be bred, yet that it is cruel to alter them so they don't breed. How do you rationalize that thinking???

How is it cruel to alter a dog? Spaying before the first heat stops mammary cancer 100%. Neutering a dog keeps them from wandering and curbs aggression. Not to mention discourages marking in the home. Helps keep male dogs out of rescue due to those kinds of behavior.

I do not believe that dogs should be randomly bred. Health, soundness, conformation and temperament should be priority one for ANY breed. Any of those categories lacking, should exclude a dog from reproducing.

I love animals. I take great joy in them. They give unconditional comfort and love. I do not agree with cruelty in any form. To any animal. Maybe the boiling pot for the Lobsters alive is why I don't eat lobster. Who knows. At least it is a fast death.

Heir, I do think you are way out there in your thinking. I know I will not be able to understand where you are coming from. I assume you just dislike dogs. Maybe you are a cat lover and hate dogs. Maybe you do not like animals at all. Those are the only two things that would make your POV at all understandable

It's hard for me to come down one side or the other on this issue (when I was twenty and knew everything, of course, it was much easier, but a you get older I guess you get stupider).

I hunt deer and almost every year kill one, clean it, take it to a game butcher, then home and eat it with my family over a six-month period. I also kept chickens as a kid and have wrung off the neck of many a fryer.

On the other hand, I can't eat veal, because I believe the only way you can get that white-meat veal taste is to systematically and scientifically torture the calf to death. And I also think that one of God's greatest gifts to humanity is the Labrador Retriever.

I know that, although I can live on plants only, it would not be easy to maintain a balanced and healthy diet doing so. Homo sap has evolved toward carnivore status over the millennia, just as Ursus sp. from class Carnivora has evolved away from it.

I think that eating meat is a personal choice. I would not gainsay anyone from a vegetarian lifestyle, but the people who want to constrain my eatinghabits because of their philosophy are, in my book, nothing but power-hungry fascists.

Well put Off the Street...I wholly agree...

They must be part of the New World Order's plans to cut world population by 5/6ths.

Fortunately, only those in the state of California take PETA seriously, hehe... To most of us, they're a bunch of beatniks who never seemed to grasp that EVERY animal must kill to survive...it isn't our design, it's a fact of our existence. Whether killing a plant or an animal, death begets life. Now, I'll agree that out and out torture of animals is wrong, but eating them is what we are designed for.