posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 08:57 PM
Seems the thread is getting derailed in a tit for tat, when the most important thing is how labels given, accepted or received... can bring people
suffering if so attached to them. Whether someone wants to personally attach to them is their burden they are yoked by.
Of course there can be consent or not consent to allow the yoke on oneself. Desire and attachment come in many forms and well desire is the root of
attachment so obviously, when one is attached to some label... a conversation is to ask them why? Obviously it is out of desire... so the real
question is... what are you desiring? One can ask themselves the same thing.
Why am I accepting the label of this that or the other? Is it out of my desire or another's desire? If it is not out of ones own... then one can be
compassionate and accept that label as it is essentially empty when one is not attached to it them-self but another is... if the label causes you
suffering, then one must look at why a label causes you suffering is it a lie? Then obviously if the label is a lie and one is on the path of truth...
it becomes the arrows people sling hoping to poison each other with by some manner of control or association.
Of course the root of all desire is to be happy in some manner, bringing others suffering from oneself suffering brings ease to some people so they
seek to make others suffer in such an ignorance.
Of course, being mired in such ignorance... then they will not understand nor comprehend how such a simple thing as possessive terms bring suffering,
because the subconscious mechanism is not really seen in oneself, as it is very hard to see one's own faults yet so very very easy to point out
another's. So when one points at the faults of others, ask oneself instead is this I have a fault of in myself? If not then how have you recognized
it? If you have over come it... others that display such a thing may want to know so that they too can overcome such suffering... however if they are
ignorant to it causing them suffering and identify that as a permanent lasting self? Then it is obviously their choice or karma to not see it or would
rather ignore it than attempt to understand it, because thats just the way it is, without any questioning or introspection as to any underlying drives
or motives that may arise or bring themselves or others suffering due to such empty attachments to name and form.
A rock a rock? How about when it's a boulder... ok then it is a size thing... well now it is no longer a rock but has to do with weight or size... so
where does a rock begin and a boulder end... or are they the same thing... hmm?
Attachment to name and form when both are essentially emptiness brings anyone thusly attached suffering.
Compassion and empathy understands, beings of various sorts are attached to various forms of being as well as labels, names, forms or whatever... it
is infinite in both directions... the names that are given to form and the emptiness in that conception that never describes them... so infinitely
empty and infinitely not... and yet it is and it isn't.
So where is the middle ground? Where one places consciousness, whether it be sight, sound, smell, taste, touch it will arise in the mind
consciousness... if there is awareness of an "it" in the mind consciousness then there is an attachment to "it". It does not need a label yet there is
one if need be... many people do not label everything they see yet the subconscious mind sees it. Some people label nothing they see, it is just an
empty form no cloud of thought arises due to any attachments. Yet there is still form oneself may be empty to all form as form is empty to oneself...
but others not understanding or experiencing such base reality beyond all the mental fabrications then they are lost in a world of objects of being no
different than form itself, to where emptiness cannot arise.
In one that has practiced meditation and has experienced the void of all pervasive space knows this... one that has not experienced the void of all
pervasive space in practice of meditation? Has no possible way to understand or experience such a thing except through their very own conception of
it... or a thought about emptiness than experience of what emptiness actually is.
This is of course the difference in an awakened mind and a mind mired and lost in a world of ignorance of being. Eventually the state of meditation
gets to the point where essentially all form is empty there is no need to meditate further after such a state arises. As all is essentially empty and
void of anything... yet there is still form and those attached to it and others in various ways and means.
Having learned and studied what all those various things are, one can speak of them about them and reference them just the same as anyone else, yet
the experience is 100% different... the only time the unawakened experience such a thing is in unawareness the awakened experience it as such in full
Having compassion and empathy for those mired in such unawareness at some point gets to be more and more difficult, simply because the pointing seems
to be a moot cause. There is no way one can tell another an experience so that they experience it...
Hence the old no one can taste food with your tongue only their own. So how can ones own tongue taste anyone else's food? Well, having gone beyond
such one knows what that pain and suffering is and feels like, and one can try to be empathetic to them, but as they are unaware it is easy to see
oneself may be unaware of what they are yet still aware of.
One could be seen or experienced as a ghost... and yet not understand one has simply gone thus beyond such things and suffers no longer, the sad part
is the things that people are attached to are the very chains binding them into hell and the cycle of birth and death and becoming... so when one is
between worlds it is important to continue to practice... yet the longer one is gone from the old world, the farther their voices get or go away.
The world may become very difficult to move around in as others move or manipulate the things one may be attached to having thus gone beyond. Of
course to escape birth and death even if one has escaped death and the arising wombs is to still practice detachment and teach others the same, sadly
one can hear those that haunt and try to control others pretending to be gods or devils attached to form and manipulate them into doing and being
things not oneself.
That is the only danger of labels. Of course as an awakened being that has gone beyond such things then it is seen for what it is, there is no
temptation to control or manipulate others, just live in peace and empathy yet there is no way to control or command such a being and all those saying
or promising they can are simply lying and deceiving. For egotistical or personal gain knowing not all beings are beyond duality and are subject to
greed, hate and easily controlled or deluded by such attachments.
Saying one believes in a god or anything, opens oneself up for this manipulation or control... as they hear a voice in their head not oneself. There
are no voices in the awakened mind it is as serene as a pond that is undisturbed. It is emptiness itself peaceful and beyond suffering. It does not
wish nor want to hurt nor manipulate or control others but help aid ease and guide them to peace, tolerance, compassion and understanding.
Yet the suffering ones choice... and no one else's.